New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
Byker28i said:
lol
So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
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Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Some good info there Byker. When I spoke to Les he also said about 1st gear being high and whilst good for 0-60 time as you say, for driveability probably better to lower it as mid range is most import for gear ratios. When I asked about Cosworth and what they were doing he said they concentrating on torque rather than bhp gains. In terms of performance, target is 400 bhp per tonne and target weight is 1150kg but the required safety features adding more weight so overall weight of car will likely creep up so more likely to be 1200kg or even 1250kg but they will still target 400bhp per tonne so increase the power to match the weight.So some interesting discussion points with Les yesterday, after the nay sayers thread in general gassing
Size - car is smaller than the F type, shorter and less than 2 meters wide.
60 k miles on the mule car so far
D
Exhausts - side exiting, sound great in the car, outsiders get half the exhaust note. They are currently experimenting with a cross pipe so harmonics cross the car to give a different exhaust note to bystanders.
There will be a launch edition colour - only on the LE cars, never to be repeated again. Only 500 LE models will be built.
Car is currently weighted 52% front 48% back and will need a rear wing to increase downforce at speed at the rear (think top gear koenigsegg CCX effect)
1st gear is long - 65mph in first for good 0-60 times, gearbox ratios are still being sorted out as 4-5th gear is 168 apparently.
They are still on schedule, which hasn't slipped, despite knowing more than they did last year.
Customers with deposits will be invited to events to view the car in the summer at which point they will have two weeks to decide what to do with their deposits. Lists will then be finalised.
Press car is still scheduled for spring next year.
Welsh development minister (sorry forgot name) has a Chimeara
One of the investors was on the stand, interesting to talk to him. Not only has he driven the test mule, pre production car, but also several competitors for comparison and said even in its raw state its significantly favourable.
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 9th May 08:09
Colour choices will be several with some limited to the LE car only.
External panels mix of composites, steel and aluminum. No GRP on the new car.
Car will be revealed first to customers who have placed a deposit. This will be at an event in August, possibly July and at a venue big enough to cater for all 400 plus depositeers.
Car will also have specific manufactured tyres for car which regulations require when top speed exceeds 186 mph.
Les was articulate, knowledgeable and enthusiastic about the new car. I can't wait to see it!
DonkeyApple said:
It's not a Golf though. That's a far too Germanic way of thinking. 
TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves.
Well said Donkey. Sometimes in life you have to go with your heart not your head. TVR is all about heart. That's why I love my Tuscan and will never sell it. I like my 911 but would sell it tomorrow as I have no emotional attachment to it. That's what makes TVR different. TVRs were always about passion. Probably why the factory got away with sending them out the door with any old crap set up. Yes, the world has evolved but those first buyers can't be knocked. They are the ones with both the passion and faith the company needs to survive. Hopefully those who think more like an accountant will then be able to do their test driving and make their informed decisions and just worry about selecting the right interior to match their string backed driving gloves. No BJ, I meant heart over head to buy a TVR in the first place. The safe logical purchase is a 911 or Audi R8, that's what using your head to buy a performance car does. Buying with your heart changes things because I love my TVR. The design is bold, outlandish and the performance is bonkers. It's a car that gets far more positive attention than the porker ever will. And my Tuscan has been just as reliable as the 911.
I remember reading somewhere that the LE car will have several of the option upgrades as standard but at roughly half the cost they would be if you ordered the standard car and added each option at full price. So basically the 'basic' entry level car will be circa £60k, the LE will be circa £80-85k but with £40k of optional extras so LE buyers are getting a fully loaded car for half the cost of the options. The options being things like full aero pack, carbon fibre chassis, full high output engine and so on.
Interesting to see the F12 TDF on Top Gear tonight which Chris Harris says costs £100k extra over the standard car! Kinda puts the TVR cost into perspective when the higher spec cost of the Ferrari over the standard F12 is more than the total cost of the LE TVR? The F12 standard car costs £240,000. Yikes.
Interesting to see the F12 TDF on Top Gear tonight which Chris Harris says costs £100k extra over the standard car! Kinda puts the TVR cost into perspective when the higher spec cost of the Ferrari over the standard F12 is more than the total cost of the LE TVR? The F12 standard car costs £240,000. Yikes.
julian64 said:
Even that doesn't make a great deal of sense for TVR. There are quite a few TVR indies around that when TVR comes out with its new model will be looking for every nook and cranny upgrade to sell as an off the shelf.
To be honest these are the people who have kept TVR's running in the hiatus of TVRs last implosion so I have a good deal of sympathy for them.
If a normal standard TVR is produced then these people will offer the upgrades at the standard American prices plus a bit for profit and will likely undercut TVR.
The point being is that I therefore don't think TVR will see these upgrades from standard cars as a great revenue source. As In the past its was easier and Much much cheaper to get your red rose upgrade from an indie and now it will be even easier and cheaper given the American aftermarket parts industry.
Agreed yes and I am sure TVR Power etc is already working on such upgrades but this will really be limited to power upgrades only and as with any new car, any work by after market indie will immediately invalidate the warranty so I don't think many would spend £60k on a car then take it to an indie and invalidate the warranty. Maybe after 3 years when the warranty expires then sure, this will happen. The other upgrade options will be the carbon fibre chassis and the aero pack which really needs to be done at the point of manufacture. So the options will make TVR extra profit but I also agree and hope the Indie specialists do their own thing as well. TVRs have always had great after market tuning etc and as you say, with the engine being a Ford Mustang based unit, there will be plenty of upgrades about. To be honest these are the people who have kept TVR's running in the hiatus of TVRs last implosion so I have a good deal of sympathy for them.
If a normal standard TVR is produced then these people will offer the upgrades at the standard American prices plus a bit for profit and will likely undercut TVR.
The point being is that I therefore don't think TVR will see these upgrades from standard cars as a great revenue source. As In the past its was easier and Much much cheaper to get your red rose upgrade from an indie and now it will be even easier and cheaper given the American aftermarket parts industry.
Whilst attending the reveal would have been great this month or next, that TVR is delaying the reveal to Jan/Feb so they can show more including the interior makes a lot of sense. The email from Les does say they could reveal the exterior look this Autumn so it would be nice if they released pics/renders of what the car actually looks like as we still don't know for certain. Come on TVR, release a couple of photos of the actual car, enough of the smoke & mirrors.
HarryW said:
ThePrisoner said:
Some very valid points Gentlemen . While everyone was discussing the Trial and Tribulations of TVR past and present, what drops into my Inbox today? . Confirmation of my interest in going to the Reveal Event with a splash of Humour . No dates confirmed but Kudos to Les and his team to reply so promptly. 
Dittoas a point of interest, of those of us on here that have paid a deposit on the new car, how many of us already have a TVR (what model) and are we keeping what we have and adding the new car or is the current TVR being sold and replaced by the new one? Answers on a post card...or you could just reply below
I have a Tuscan and if I go for the new car it will be an addition as the Tuscan is for life.
I have a Tuscan and if I go for the new car it will be an addition as the Tuscan is for life.
Silvernoble883 said:
A Jag lookalike with a cheap Ford V8 and 100 grand, do they really think they will sell any.
Errr yes. The F type is a gorgeous looking car so if it looks similar but more mad with Aero pack, side exit exhaust etc that's surely a good thing. As for cheap Ford V8, the heritage and history of Ford Cosworth in motor sport makes an engine as good as any Mercedes, Aston or Porsche in my book. Will TVR sell any? Of course they will. There is a gap in the market for people like me who want something rare and different to a mass produced 911 which doesn't get a turn of a head any more as they are so common.
From what we know so far about the new car, its all good news and ticks a lot of the boxes. Top notch designer, proven engine with respected tuning by Cosworth, V8, noisy and target of 400 bhp per tonne indicating 500 bhp.
What we dont know is styling (which is going to be personal taste) and, more importantly? the price!
A key factor for me, and I assume others, is the price. I remember reading somewhere back in 2015, that the entry level car would be around £55k and the Launch Edition car would be some £20k more to reflect the enhanced power, aero styling, carbon fibre etc. So £75k for the LE car? I have also read that latest prices being banded about are over £90k but under £100k. If this is the price then for me it kills it. £90k+ buys some very high performance sports cars from established manufacturers. TVR must get the pricing spot on if they are to sell the initial run of 500 and not have a queue of depositeers asking for their deposits to be returned. If they have even 100 saying no thanks, thats too expensive, I think it will have a big negative on the whole project with 20% of the limited run unsold.
What we dont know is styling (which is going to be personal taste) and, more importantly? the price!
A key factor for me, and I assume others, is the price. I remember reading somewhere back in 2015, that the entry level car would be around £55k and the Launch Edition car would be some £20k more to reflect the enhanced power, aero styling, carbon fibre etc. So £75k for the LE car? I have also read that latest prices being banded about are over £90k but under £100k. If this is the price then for me it kills it. £90k+ buys some very high performance sports cars from established manufacturers. TVR must get the pricing spot on if they are to sell the initial run of 500 and not have a queue of depositeers asking for their deposits to be returned. If they have even 100 saying no thanks, thats too expensive, I think it will have a big negative on the whole project with 20% of the limited run unsold.
not complaining, just think that many will think twice about paying £90k for a new car from a 'new' manufacturer when the alternatives are very capable and proven cars such as
Jaguar F type R £85k
Nissan GTR £78k
Porsche 911 S £85k
you could even buy a used Lamborghini V10 or Audi R8 V10 with 10k miles for that money. Just saying they need to be careful on pricing if they want all those who have paid a deposit to go ahead with actually buying the car. And I am one of them...
Jaguar F type R £85k
Nissan GTR £78k
Porsche 911 S £85k
you could even buy a used Lamborghini V10 or Audi R8 V10 with 10k miles for that money. Just saying they need to be careful on pricing if they want all those who have paid a deposit to go ahead with actually buying the car. And I am one of them...
where do we believe the price of the LE will be at? I have read guesstimates from £55k up to £100k. I have contacted TVR to ask them if they can at least let depositeers know roughly where the price will be at so we can sort out our finances. Doubt I will receive an answer with a figure although they should by now be able to give a range. Will I need to sell my existing TVR etc or will it simply be out of my price range or better cars to buy with less money. I am going to struggle to spend £90k plus on a new TVR even if it is amazing. TVR has always offered fantastic performance value for money. Are those days over?
IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.
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