One off 'Sagaris' for sale for £102K??

[MikeE]

This looks like a simple Tuscan front and rear reshell to me, why would anyone think this is worth £102K? And why doesn't the advert have any details about this unique car??

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[MikeE]

Ok I’ve sent an email suggesting it looks more Tuscan than Sagaris and can they give me the details of the conversion. Let’s see what they say

[MikeE]

Were Sagaris even available in 2004??

[MikeE]

Penelope Stopit said:

TheRainMaker said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Doesn't look like a Tuscan to me

Perhaps it should have been given a completely different name

Tusagis?

Doesn’t matter what it looks like, it’s registered as a Tuscan, which under the smart paint and body panels, it is.

Understood

The thing is if one was to remove those panels it wouldn't look like a Tuscan

Definitely a fine example of how wrong the system is, none of this could happen ehhhhhh if it didn't

I reckon it would look exactly like a Tuscan because that’s what it is. Just look at the interior pictures, roll hoop/roof panel and doors they’re all pure Tuscan. And I bet the chassis, running gear and engine are all Tuscan too so it’s very clear cut this is not a Sagaris with the roof chopped off, it’s a Tuscan with a front and rear facelift.

This can’t be worth more than £40K surely, but the brief description makes it sound like TVR built a one off Sagaris for a special customer, which is not correct.

Edited by MikeE on Saturday 19th October 15:49

[MikeE]

butch890 said:

Ocdbeemer said:

I purchased a Porsche from them, agreed a cost, they then increased the advertised price online !!??

They are 5 miles from me,been in buisiness 10 years in various guises ,not got the best of reputations!

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a car advertised with no description only a suggestion to phone them fir details. I wonder why they wouldn’t just put it in writing in the advert?

[MikeE]

swisstoni said:

TR4man said:

Interesting that in the 2009 thread the majority of contributors seemed to like the conversion.

It seems less so with the current thread, or is this because of the asking price / seller?

I really like the look of it, but see it as a £30k car rather than a £102k one.

The fact that it was being passed off as a Sag at £100k was putting a bit of dampener on things.

Agreed as the OP of this thread I saw the advert and thought it looked stunning then saw the claim to be a one off build and the price, so understandable thought peter Wheeler had built a special fir someone which would indeed justify the price so all good for me.

Then I looked at the other pics and it came clear from bothe the centre section of the exterior and all of the interior that it was in fact just a Tuscan. Seemed to me it was a misleading advert hence me posting it.

If it were genuine imho it’d be worth £100K+. As an honest Tuscan conversion I’d say more like £40K and that’s assuming it’s not a CAT C rebuild.

[MikeE]

richard sails said:

N7GTX said:

glow worm said:

Isn't it illegal to advertise something as something different to what it is ?
A Tuscan Mk1 can't be advertised as a Sagaris under trades description act ?
Maybe Piston Heads gurus should be more careful about what is advertised on their site .

It is. Its an offence contrary to the Misrepresentation Act 1967. There are 2 types of misrepresentation - fraudulent and innocent. No prizes for guessing which one the seller would plead as he probably hasn't a clue about a targa Sag.

The seller may have difficulty proving they are innocent as the seller (and 24 hours later PH fraud team) have both been contacted by the club and advised of the true status of the car.

Previously I’d asked why the advert doesn’t have any details about the car, do we think that’s to avoid putting anything in writing? If so it looks like they’ll well aware of what it is

[MikeE]

glow worm said:

I reported it to the PH moderators on Friday , but they don't appear to have taken any action !!!!!

Maybe they don’t work weekends!

[MikeE]

PistonHeads received at least 2 emails over the weekend reporting this as a misrepresentation so I think PistonHeads have reclassified it as sold and removed it. Wonder if the dealers are aware yet?

[MikeE]

Gazzab said:

MikeE said:

PistonHeads received at least 2 emails over the weekend reporting this as a misrepresentation so I think PistonHeads have reclassified it as sold and removed it. Wonder if the dealers are aware yet?

They haven’t removed the ad. It’s still there. I suspect it’s the seller who has marked it as sold. He has had a few emails pointing out the issues and telling him what it’s actually worth. I suspect he has marked it as sold as he thinks this will stick 2 fingers up at everyone.

So it is, I didn't have the 'Show Sold' option ticked, but can now see it.

I think they'll be looking at passing this on at 65% less than the asking price

[MikeE]

Driver101 said:

m4tti said:

What will be funnier, is if they have priced the trade-in in line with real sagaris market price

Could be a bit of a loss On the horizon

I highly doubt a dealer would make that mistake. Any basic check shows it's a Tuscan and would be valued as such.

I'm sure he'd do a bit of digging to and find the threads we've seen.

Edited by Driver101 on Monday 21st October 12:51

From the advert it's clear they know that TVR never made a production Sagaris Targa and that this example was very unusual, so to me it's not plausible that they didn't know it was a conversion on a Tuscan, which leads me to think it's a difficult mistake to make.......

Edited by MikeE on Monday 21st October 13:02

[MikeE]

The ad has gone from their website too so maybe it was SOR and they've given it back to the owner after realising it was actually worth 30% of the advertised price!