Yellow Box of Peril
Discussion
Picked the car up from Service. Driving back I ended up caught in a Yellow Box. Furthermore due to thinking about my mistake I was close to stopping on a crossing which I thought I missed the light for. Thinking about it the lights were controlled by the main junction. Still not good to get caught out.
Quite embarrassing as I consider myself a competent driver.
I am familiar with the Junction but I rarely drive it. I wasn't concentrating as I should have been. Watching back the footage I'm wondering what I could have done better?
Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/nzllShQJvvM
Quite embarrassing as I consider myself a competent driver.
I am familiar with the Junction but I rarely drive it. I wasn't concentrating as I should have been. Watching back the footage I'm wondering what I could have done better?
Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/nzllShQJvvM
Edited by Rick101 on Thursday 16th November 12:14
Dashcam Warrior app won''t upload to Youtube today for some reason.
You''ll have to made do with a few phone screenshots.
This is the vehicle stop line. This is where I would be really making my decision to go or not. There is a risk that you move forwards, don't enter the box due to a risk of fine but end up stopped over the pedestrian crossing when they get a green man. (Not sure if Puffin crossings will give 'walk' if vehicles are stopped??)
This is forward of the vehicle stop line but behind the cycle stop line. A fractionally better view, not clear if the exit is blocked.
This is the first instant I get a view of a clear exit. I am right over the pedestrian crossing. It's is not clear how much room the van has in front of him. No brake lights coming on, but in all honestly you don't have time to sit and gauge his deceleration rate.
On reflection, and a 2nd attempt, yes, it's a crap junction and you will probably end up in the yellow box.
With regard to the question of stopping. The example I gave earlier was correct, what I hadn't realised was that, that was the only situation it applied to.
Rule 174
Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Two things to note from the DVLA image. The blue Focus in the wait position, is waiting behind the stop line and has not moved up to the yellow box.
Secondly it shows a tipper wagon stopped over a crossing with nowhere to go. Not sure that's encouraged. One to check.
Here endeth the lesson
You''ll have to made do with a few phone screenshots.
This is the vehicle stop line. This is where I would be really making my decision to go or not. There is a risk that you move forwards, don't enter the box due to a risk of fine but end up stopped over the pedestrian crossing when they get a green man. (Not sure if Puffin crossings will give 'walk' if vehicles are stopped??)
This is forward of the vehicle stop line but behind the cycle stop line. A fractionally better view, not clear if the exit is blocked.
This is the first instant I get a view of a clear exit. I am right over the pedestrian crossing. It's is not clear how much room the van has in front of him. No brake lights coming on, but in all honestly you don't have time to sit and gauge his deceleration rate.
On reflection, and a 2nd attempt, yes, it's a crap junction and you will probably end up in the yellow box.
With regard to the question of stopping. The example I gave earlier was correct, what I hadn't realised was that, that was the only situation it applied to.
Rule 174
Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Two things to note from the DVLA image. The blue Focus in the wait position, is waiting behind the stop line and has not moved up to the yellow box.
Secondly it shows a tipper wagon stopped over a crossing with nowhere to go. Not sure that's encouraged. One to check.
Here endeth the lesson
Edited by Rick101 on Friday 17th November 10:57
All comments welcome.
I am the first to look inward when something has gone wrong and freely admit a lack of concentration on the first attempt.
I made a point of doing it again today to see if it could be done better and whilst you are able to sit and watch the footage to fractions of a second, there are lots of other things to account for in real driving.
It is right on the 9 sec I have it paused, I am at the stop line (at speed) and I do concur the brake lights come on in that 9 sec window.
Consider though I'm in a large and heavy old Volvo with a slushbox. My camera does not record speed but I have certainly got the vehicle moving and would be unlikley to come to a nice smooth controlled stop as you are supposed to do in AD. I could of course have slammed on at the stop line but I would probably end up the recipient of a rear shunt.
I am of course also checking for pedestrians, cycles on both side and other traffic at the same time.
Whilst I appreciate the view and comments, I don't think stopping is workable.
I am the first to look inward when something has gone wrong and freely admit a lack of concentration on the first attempt.
I made a point of doing it again today to see if it could be done better and whilst you are able to sit and watch the footage to fractions of a second, there are lots of other things to account for in real driving.
It is right on the 9 sec I have it paused, I am at the stop line (at speed) and I do concur the brake lights come on in that 9 sec window.
Consider though I'm in a large and heavy old Volvo with a slushbox. My camera does not record speed but I have certainly got the vehicle moving and would be unlikley to come to a nice smooth controlled stop as you are supposed to do in AD. I could of course have slammed on at the stop line but I would probably end up the recipient of a rear shunt.
I am of course also checking for pedestrians, cycles on both side and other traffic at the same time.
Whilst I appreciate the view and comments, I don't think stopping is workable.
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