Eduard 1:48 Westland Lysander Mk.III

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This is one I completed late last year; Eduard's 1:48 Lysander (originally a Gavia kit). I added a lot of scratchbuilt detail, as well as photo-etch and resin:









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And here it is with my old 1:72 Matchbox Lysander from 197x . Both models are favourites:



It's in this month's edition of Scale Aviation Modeller International magazine:



The full build is featured over 9 pages. Unfortunately I can't post build threads on here for review models.

Edited by dr_gn on Wednesday 9th May 21:48

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CanAm said:

My local "Charity" Shop recently had one of the Gavia kits for sale for £20. Underneath was the original model shop price sticker......£18.00!
They were also selling oldish Airfix Series 1 kits for £10.

There's no way I'd pay £20 for the Gavia version (or even £18). I'm pretty sure Eduard corrected the moulds for this version (wing strut holes are incorrectly located), plus there's resin and photo-etch in the Profipack.

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tight5 said:

dr_gn said:

I've never seen a better canopy than that.

Six pieces - one scratchbuilt from acetate. Took some aligning!

I always dip canopy parts in Klear (or spray with gloss clear); it fills any micro cracks / bloom and makes them more transparent.

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allegerita said:

Outstanding indeed. 2 questions:
It seems the canopy frame is painted both on the inside and the outside? Is that so? If yes, how do you mask?
Do you apply Klear after all the paintwork has been done? I read somewhere someone was applying Klear prior to painting, but I suspect that layer would be damaged by the masking tape, and maybe paint adhesion on Klear would be less good?

Thanks! The inner frames of the canopy extremities (ie the visible parts) were masked and painted from the inside; a simple job with Tamiya tape. I tried painting the entire inner canopy frames by masking and painting, but the thickness of the plastic gave an unsightly parallax effect where the outer lines appeared to have a border all around them that shifted depending on viewing angle. I polished back and reverted to only painting the outer ones.

You dip the parts in Klear and allow to cure for several days, then mask, paint, weather and matt coat. Adhesion of Klear on plastic and paint on Klear isn't an issue - Tamiya tape is fairly low-tack, and so long as the Klear hasn't got grease on it, acrylic sticks to it fine.

You can't really apply Klear after paint, becasue the parts would probably be on the model and blended to the fusealge. You'd also have to mask twice in order to apply a final matt coat.

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allegerita said:

Good tips. I'll be in England next week, and I'll buy myself a bottle of Klear then.

It's no longer available in it's original form. Some folks say the new formula is just as good, some don't.

When I run out, I'll probably worth get a bottle of new old stock from EBay, there's one on at the moment for £25 which seems pretty reasonable.

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kurt535 said:

Beautiful model - what happens to it now?

Thanks!

Nothing really, it’s in a case with some other models in my office.

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kurt535 said:

dr_gn said:

kurt535 said:

Beautiful model - what happens to it now?

Thanks!

Nothing really, it’s in a case with some other models in my office.

Devil's advocate - what does a model like that cost when purchased from someone as good as you???

I have no idea at all. Some models built to a high standard on EBay, but 'straight from the box' seem to go for a lot of money. Seems to depend on the subject though.

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lufbramatt said:

Simply stunning. Beautiful Lysander!

Thanks!

So when's the new-tool Airfix version in 1:72 coming out (or Walrus ) ?

I'm building the Dambusters Lancaster at the moment, but I much prefer the fabric covered stuff from you guys (at least in 1:72). The Wellington is definitely on the list.

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robemcdonald said:

dr_gn said:

kurt535 said:

dr_gn said:

kurt535 said:

Beautiful model - what happens to it now?

Thanks!

Nothing really, it’s in a case with some other models in my office.

Devil's advocate - what does a model like that cost when purchased from someone as good as you???

I have no idea at all. Some models built to a high standard on EBay, but 'straight from the box' seem to go for a lot of money. Seems to depend on the subject though.

I think the “straight from the box” models are by builders trying to make a bit of cash from their hobby. There’s no point spending fortunes on resin and P.E the average buyer isn’t going to appreciate.
I had a look on EBay and found this.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Supermarine-Spitfire-Vb...
This appears to me to be a reasonably well made model from a basic kit, but nothing beyond what an average modeller like I could achieve. (No real shading, basic chipping, etc). I suppose the telling fact is that no one has bid on it....

On this evidence I would conclude.
1.there is only a very small market for finished models.
2.the Lysander would probably be worth £500-£1000.
3.as usual I’ve probably got points 1&2 wrong.

I doubt the Lysander is worth £500 let alone £1000. I suppose a commission build from a professional could be more considering the hours needed, but how many people would want one?

One of the highest sold prices for a built 1:48 model on EBay currently is this Starfighter:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-48-F-104G-F-104-Starf...

Very nice model, no doubt sold at a signifiant loss when the hours taken to build are considered.

For me it's not about value of the finished item, it's about the simple enjoyment of building something to the best standard I can. It doesn't matter if it's plastic, metal, paper, 3D printed, or building a classic car or even my house. I'm no businessman, I just like making things!

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dr_gn said:

allegerita said:

Good tips. I'll be in England next week, and I'll buy myself a bottle of Klear then.

It's no longer available in it's original form. Some folks say the new formula is just as good, some don't.

When I run out, I'll probably worth get a bottle of new old stock from EBay, there's one on at the moment for £25 which seems pretty reasonable.

Just got some original Johnson's Klear off EBay for £15 delivered. I use it for so many modelling related things (canopy refinement, decal setting solution, paint sealing etc) that I definitely wouldn't risk any of the new formula versions. I hope it's genuine!

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Yertis said:

Prolex-UK said:

dr_gn said:

Just got some original Johnson's Klear off EBay for £15 delivered. I use it for so many modelling related things (canopy refinement, decal setting solution, paint sealing etc) that I definitely wouldn't risk any of the new formula versions. I hope it's genuine!

I bought some of the new stuff and works well for me

I just bought some of the original stuff. I've never used it before. (Last time I did anything like this "MicroGloss" was the pre decal finish of choice.)

I'm sure you'll get on with it OK - pretty foolproof to use.

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Zad said:

For anyone interested, Hannants are saying that some Eduard kits and sets are being discontinued - not sure if it is just Hannants, or Eduard themselves. Anyway they have their Profipack 1:48 Lysander III set at £32:30. I don't think this is any sort of reduction though.

Not unusual for Eduard (or other manufacturers) to discontinue stuff. I’ve had problems getting photo-etch for certain kits in the past (including the Lysander in fact).