B&I Lions tour 2021

B&I Lions tour 2021

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irocfan

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Monday 1st March 2021
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Given that we're at halfway point in the 6N and it's a Lions year I thought a Lions thread might be appropriate...

irocfan

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Between RWC19 vs NZ and now I think that there are LOT of English players who've actively played themselves out of a potential team.

In fact I don't think it's too harsh to say that if England had the lowest representation it'd not be too great a shock

irocfan

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BlackWidow13 said:
Me neither. However, the unavoidable truth is that England are (annoyingly if you support them) one of the most variable teams in the world. They can look pedestrian against Italy for 60 minutes and play NZ off the park. I genuinely don’t think any of the other four home nations can deliver that unenviable range of performance.

Put another way, against the SH sides you can be pretty sure what the outcome will be if Scotland, Wales or Ireland are playing. They play to a much more consistent level. Like it or not, despite being able to play pretty badly, England have the best chance out of the home nations of beating any one of the SH sides.

TL;DR: England players seem to be able to rise to a big game occasion strangely well.
I'd go as far as to say we're virtually French in our ability to play st for no discernible reason and then suddenly came NZ...

irocfan

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May or Van de Merwe/Adams? I do like JM but I think the English malaise has even affected him. George North has got versatility on his side being a large lump centre and a world class wing...

irocfan

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I guess there's a good argument for Anscombe and argumentative twitching fkwit at 10 leaving fazlet at home - possibly Sexton too (too injury prone these days?)

irocfan

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Thursday 4th March 2021
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looks like Lawes may be struggling to get fit for this frown

irocfan

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Sunday 21st March 2021
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can't say I'd take fazlet or Youngs on their current (ie 6N form). I'd like to see if Underhill and Lawes get fit in time.

What's the lowest ever number of English in the Lions?

irocfan

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irocfan

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Saturday 1st May 2021
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Cliffe60 said:
irocfan said:
looks like Lawes may be struggling to get fit for this frown
Lawes isn’t in the top 10 of second rows and not even top 20 for flankers. Can’t see why he’d be considered even if fit.
Lawes is a beast with previous Lions experience and is versatile


Evanivitch said:
Absolutely gutted for George North.
indeed, and Launch

irocfan

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Evanivitch said:
I admire Lawes ability to make a career out of ineffective (but not illegal) late tackles, but no way he'd be on the plane.

Just like the (incredibly English-biased) BBC Rugby Union podcast seem to think Danny Cipriani has a chance laugh
last year Cips would (should!) have been a shoo-in, this year? Not. A. Chance. The DC I can see going is Care

irocfan

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Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Ben Youngs has turned down the Lions for personal reasons

irocfan

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Monday 3rd May 2021
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Cliffe60 said:
It’s quite hard to choose. Big clamour for the Welsh as they won the 6N but they beat Scotland and Ireland on the back of red cards ( justified but lucky for them) and beat England with the help of possibly the worst refereeing performance ever.
Scotland started and finished well, but were their normal below average team in the other games.
England played well v France but we’re terrible otherwise as were Ireland except v England.
For England , I’d say only Itoje, Watson, Curry and Sinckler are certs.
Sadly I think that Fazlet is also pretty much nailed on too

irocfan

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Thursday 6th May 2021
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I'll give nearly any odds that Daly won't be named as FB hehe

Disappointed for Care, but not totally surprised. Hill on the other hand massively so... called Lawes though biggrin

irocfan

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Thursday 6th May 2021
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TBH I'd have had one particular Englishman less frown

irocfan

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TBH I'm surprised at Aki - he good but a few silly (idiotic?) cards aren't a good sign....

irocfan

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Friday 7th May 2021
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The saffas will goad fazlet at every opportunity. His tackling technique is suspect (and will be magnified on tour especially in the press) and his temperament likewise. Will he be better now that he's no longer get captain? IMO yes!!!

irocfan

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Friday 7th May 2021
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Quality spell checking from the Guardian BBC hehe


"Balance of physicality and flare key to selection"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57022444

irocfan

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Friday 7th May 2021
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Evanivitch said:
irocfan said:
The saffas will goad fazlet at every opportunity. His tackling technique is suspect (and will be magnified on tour especially in the press) and his temperament likewise. Will he be better now that he's no longer get captain? IMO yes!!!
Isn't that a requirement at 10? Bigger not much better!
in fairness Biggar can be a petulant gobste as well - his kicking (and all-round) game is, in my opinion, better though

irocfan

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Thursday 13th May 2021
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DodgyGeezer

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JerseyS2000 said:
Happy for Sinkler!
Indeed, shame for Porter