Nissan Leaf cheaper to run than a bike....Really?
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Having a conversation about someone who thinks his Nissan Leaf is cheaper to run than cycling is. He said the cost of food means it costs more than cycling. I mentioned about depreciation, insurance etc etc but he's adamant that it's cheaper. I then asked about E-Bikes but he just said the Leaf was cheaper.
I figured.....13p/kWh, so about £5.20 to charge a 40kWh Leaf....175 miles so about 3p/mile in fuel costs.....
Thoughts?
I figured.....13p/kWh, so about £5.20 to charge a 40kWh Leaf....175 miles so about 3p/mile in fuel costs.....
Thoughts?
The_Jackal said:
Just insurance and depreciation top anything a bike will cost. Plus you dont have to charge your bike.
I think the guy just likes spouting stuff that makes him feel better. Hasnt quite engaged his brain.
You want to tell him what those batteries do to the environment and the process to make them.
Isnt the Leaf known as one of the worst deteriorating electric cars in terms of how the motors and batteries drop off in efficiency. And good luck trying to sell a secondhand one.
Well he is saying the cost of food is more per mile than the cost of electricity....I think the guy just likes spouting stuff that makes him feel better. Hasnt quite engaged his brain.
You want to tell him what those batteries do to the environment and the process to make them.
Isnt the Leaf known as one of the worst deteriorating electric cars in terms of how the motors and batteries drop off in efficiency. And good luck trying to sell a secondhand one.
Gareth79 said:
An Ultegra cassette is £40 and would probably last 5,000 miles+?
Few people would commute on an MTB that eats €400 cassettes, the same as few people commute in a Ferrari.
Ultegra cassette can last way longer than that if looked after. My cassette must be on double that mileage and is showing very, very little signs of wear. I replace the chains when required and actually use wax with molybdenum disulphide and PTFE because it keeps the chain much cleaner.Few people would commute on an MTB that eats €400 cassettes, the same as few people commute in a Ferrari.
Abarth595turismo said:
E65Ross said:
The_Jackal said:
Just insurance and depreciation top anything a bike will cost. Plus you dont have to charge your bike.
I think the guy just likes spouting stuff that makes him feel better. Hasnt quite engaged his brain.
You want to tell him what those batteries do to the environment and the process to make them.
Isnt the Leaf known as one of the worst deteriorating electric cars in terms of how the motors and batteries drop off in efficiency. And good luck trying to sell a secondhand one.
Well he is saying the cost of food is more per mile than the cost of electricity....I think the guy just likes spouting stuff that makes him feel better. Hasnt quite engaged his brain.
You want to tell him what those batteries do to the environment and the process to make them.
Isnt the Leaf known as one of the worst deteriorating electric cars in terms of how the motors and batteries drop off in efficiency. And good luck trying to sell a secondhand one.
his argument is more about the fact you need to eat more. His argument to my "it doesn't cost 3p/mile plus depreciation etc" was "how much does a sandwich cost and how far does that get you?"
Daveyraveygravey said:
He's trying to justify spending hard earned cash on a POS non-car like the Leaf ?? The propaganda about electric cars is outrageous.
Has he thought about the health benefits of riding a bike? Or the fact its quicker in the city? Or enjoying the journey?
I did say to him at the end that even if the bike does cost more I'd happily spend more so I didn't have to drive around in a Leaf Has he thought about the health benefits of riding a bike? Or the fact its quicker in the city? Or enjoying the journey?
Jimbo. said:
And who on earth uses them for the day-to-day?!
Plus, if you're using the example of real high-end bike components, one shouldn't compare running costs to a Nissan Leaf, surely? The idea of a Leaf is to be cheap to run for your commute. If you use a cheap bike for the commute the costs will be much lower. Plus.....yes, energy gels/bars etc cost a lot, but if we're using the commute as an example, who on earth needs a gel or whatever for a 5-10 mile ride anyway? Just a little more water and a slightly bigger bowl of porridge at work 
BoRED S2upid said:
You can’t argue with these people. Next he will stick £10,000 of solar panels on his roof and charge his leaf through those hey presto free travel!
Actually it's pretty hilarious you say that.....because he has!! He was arguing his Leaf cost 0.13p/mile.....I said that is impossible, then he said about the solar panels on his house.....Berlin Mike said:
bakerstreet said:
joeheavyslow said:
The food argument is nonsense to me anyway. I've been losing weight this year by cycling (15kg and counting). I can happily do a three hour ride with no food.
There's your real money saving tip. Start as a fat knacker and the mileage is free.
Whilst you can do the ride, I can't imagine many coaches would advise riding for three hours with no fuel or food. There's your real money saving tip. Start as a fat knacker and the mileage is free.
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