Honda S2000 Pricing
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designforlife said:
If it's red budget in for a full respray at the most, or a pretty serious protection detail at the least.
Milano red is notorious for turning pink and fading....ask me how I know.
Brake lines is a cheap MOT fix that any garage can do in the event of them failing MOT, usually about £50 a side...general wear and tear item on any car that age.
Indeed but will it be indicative of more serious rust across the car? It's close to me so I can go check it out. Others are further away so would probably require me to put my hand in my pocket for a PPI before I was able to travel to see the car.Milano red is notorious for turning pink and fading....ask me how I know.
Brake lines is a cheap MOT fix that any garage can do in the event of them failing MOT, usually about £50 a side...general wear and tear item on any car that age.
The orange car looks a good bet, one owner, fsh, low mileage, but is 8.5k steep money for it? Much higher than the trade price.
designforlife said:
Integroo said:
Indeed but will it be indicative of more serious rust across the car? It's close to me so I can go check it out. Others are further away so would probably require me to put my hand in my pocket for a PPI before I was able to travel to see the car.
The orange car looks a good bet, one owner, fsh, low mileage, but is 8.5k steep money for it? Much higher than the trade price.
Not necessarily no. The orange car looks a good bet, one owner, fsh, low mileage, but is 8.5k steep money for it? Much higher than the trade price.
Nah like i said, decent ones are fetching £8k plus easy now, they bottomed out a while ago so prices are going back up.
this may help-
http://www.evo.co.uk/honda/s2000/14081/honda-s2000...
designforlife said:
Also worth budgeting in to get the underside of the car undersealed again for peace of mind...probably only £100-200.
Need to get the DC5 done before winter rolls in.
Yes I was thinking that if I bought a slightly cheaper one I could use the spare change for a few things: service including fluids change and geometry set up, getting the car under sealed, and perhaps an air filter. Need to get the DC5 done before winter rolls in.
designforlife said:
Integroo said:
designforlife said:
Also worth budgeting in to get the underside of the car undersealed again for peace of mind...probably only £100-200.
Need to get the DC5 done before winter rolls in.
Yes I was thinking that if I bought a slightly cheaper one I could use the spare change for a few things: service including fluids change and geometry set up, getting the car under sealed, and perhaps an air filter. Need to get the DC5 done before winter rolls in.
I had to spend a good couple of grand on my DC5 when I bought it just on servicing and a couple of little niggles...part and parcel of buying an older high performance car I'm afraid.
Decent tyres will also set you back £100+ a corner, but are a must on a car like the s2k.
Edited by designforlife on Tuesday 19th September 13:37
designforlife said:
Integroo said:
If there is no obvious signs of paint deterioration, do you think that it will be fine? Or is it inevitable.
It would be pink...but if it's been recently machine polished by the seller you have no real way of knowing, unless it has had a full respray in the last few years and has reciepts backing this.My milano red DC5 looked stunning when i bought it, but by the summer the protection that the seller used had worn off and the paint is a total state now, respray is the only thing that will rescue it.
The trouble with red, is that it fades under the lacquer so once it starts to go there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.
The owner prev to me had a respray in single stage...the plus to this being that you can machine polish the paint back to lustrous red when it fades, the negative been it watermarks like crazy, and i've run out of paint thickness to have polished.
just a word of caution...personally I wouldn't buy a red car again. It's an extra £3k i really didn't want to have to spend.
Further research into DC5s and S2Ks is giving me the real fear re. rust, and spending the best part of ten grand on a car that does rust, given I'll be storing it outside during a Scottish winter.
Also, apparently maintenance and service parts can get expensive.
Is this undue concern ?
Also, apparently maintenance and service parts can get expensive.
Is this undue concern ?
designforlife said:
Well yeah, in as much as it is on any car 10 years old...just don't buy a rusty one, and keep on top of cleaning.
The s2k and dc5 aren't known for any terrible design flaws re. Rust...some dc5s go on the rear arches but that's easily avoidable when shopping for one. Mine has a tiny rust bubble on the rear edge of one rear arch, and a tiny bit of surface rust around the boot lid handle, and that's a car that's been in the UK 11 years...my mx5 the same age was in far worse shape rust wise, and we are talking a good 5 years ago.
They're nowhere near as bad as mx5s or older Nissan I'll tell you that much.
As far as servicing and parts, it's a honda, so it's not as cheap as Mazda or Mitsubishi, but it isn't VAG prices.
You do realise that running a performance driven older Japanese car is going to require a bit of tlc and preventative maintenance right? It's not quite the same as running a more or less brand new shopping spec hatchback.
The 75k major service on a dc5 is about £550...got mine coming up in Feb, probably need a couple other bits doing so I'm expecting around £700. Typical annual 12k service is about £200. Not a great deal really.
Yah ofc. It's not really regular running costs that concern me, it is being hit with a bill for two grand to have seized suspension bolts cut out and replaced, or three grand to have rear sills rebuilt. I think takinf time to find a good one is the name of the game.The s2k and dc5 aren't known for any terrible design flaws re. Rust...some dc5s go on the rear arches but that's easily avoidable when shopping for one. Mine has a tiny rust bubble on the rear edge of one rear arch, and a tiny bit of surface rust around the boot lid handle, and that's a car that's been in the UK 11 years...my mx5 the same age was in far worse shape rust wise, and we are talking a good 5 years ago.
They're nowhere near as bad as mx5s or older Nissan I'll tell you that much.
As far as servicing and parts, it's a honda, so it's not as cheap as Mazda or Mitsubishi, but it isn't VAG prices.
You do realise that running a performance driven older Japanese car is going to require a bit of tlc and preventative maintenance right? It's not quite the same as running a more or less brand new shopping spec hatchback.
The 75k major service on a dc5 is about £550...got mine coming up in Feb, probably need a couple other bits doing so I'm expecting around £700. Typical annual 12k service is about £200. Not a great deal really.
Edited by designforlife on Tuesday 19th September 23:28
Integroo said:
designforlife said:
Well yeah, in as much as it is on any car 10 years old...just don't buy a rusty one, and keep on top of cleaning.
The s2k and dc5 aren't known for any terrible design flaws re. Rust...some dc5s go on the rear arches but that's easily avoidable when shopping for one. Mine has a tiny rust bubble on the rear edge of one rear arch, and a tiny bit of surface rust around the boot lid handle, and that's a car that's been in the UK 11 years...my mx5 the same age was in far worse shape rust wise, and we are talking a good 5 years ago.
They're nowhere near as bad as mx5s or older Nissan I'll tell you that much.
As far as servicing and parts, it's a honda, so it's not as cheap as Mazda or Mitsubishi, but it isn't VAG prices.
You do realise that running a performance driven older Japanese car is going to require a bit of tlc and preventative maintenance right? It's not quite the same as running a more or less brand new shopping spec hatchback.
The 75k major service on a dc5 is about £550...got mine coming up in Feb, probably need a couple other bits doing so I'm expecting around £700. Typical annual 12k service is about £200. Not a great deal really.
Yah ofc. It's not really regular running costs that concern me, it is being hit with a bill for two grand to have seized suspension bolts cut out and replaced, or three grand to have rear sills rebuilt. I think takinf time to find a good one is the name of the game.The s2k and dc5 aren't known for any terrible design flaws re. Rust...some dc5s go on the rear arches but that's easily avoidable when shopping for one. Mine has a tiny rust bubble on the rear edge of one rear arch, and a tiny bit of surface rust around the boot lid handle, and that's a car that's been in the UK 11 years...my mx5 the same age was in far worse shape rust wise, and we are talking a good 5 years ago.
They're nowhere near as bad as mx5s or older Nissan I'll tell you that much.
As far as servicing and parts, it's a honda, so it's not as cheap as Mazda or Mitsubishi, but it isn't VAG prices.
You do realise that running a performance driven older Japanese car is going to require a bit of tlc and preventative maintenance right? It's not quite the same as running a more or less brand new shopping spec hatchback.
The 75k major service on a dc5 is about £550...got mine coming up in Feb, probably need a couple other bits doing so I'm expecting around £700. Typical annual 12k service is about £200. Not a great deal really.
Edited by designforlife on Tuesday 19th September 23:28
Good advice. I think my ideal checklist is:
1. Rust free.
2. Has had geometry done relatively recently so I know the bolts are not seized.
3. Has had the timing chain tensioner replaced.
4. FSH. I would rather an 80k example that has had the big 75k service than a 70k example that hasn't.
5. A seller that seems to have kept on top of maintenance (decent tyres, knows when he last changed the oil etc.).
6. No tears in roof.
7. Preferably evidence the clutch has been replaced.
Needle in a haystack...?
1. Rust free.
2. Has had geometry done relatively recently so I know the bolts are not seized.
3. Has had the timing chain tensioner replaced.
4. FSH. I would rather an 80k example that has had the big 75k service than a 70k example that hasn't.
5. A seller that seems to have kept on top of maintenance (decent tyres, knows when he last changed the oil etc.).
6. No tears in roof.
7. Preferably evidence the clutch has been replaced.
Needle in a haystack...?
Little Bob said:
Seized brake calipers is another common S2000 issue, pretty expensive to sort too, so if it's had those done then it's definitely a bonus as it will likely need it at some stage.
I would always favour a facelift model - less twitchy on the limit due to 17"wheels (which definitely look better than the 16"s too), slightly softer springs at the rear too to reduce rear end bias and easier to corner without mishap (but still not foolproof of course).
Updated lights and interior etc, make the facelift a more modern look - and they will hold their money better too.
If a car has never had the suspension bolts adjusted then I think you'll be lucky if they are all free, but I think £2K is absolutely the worst possible scenario, and in all likelihood would be much less even if all four were seized (maybe £1k from what I've read, and agin that's all four).
Underseal is definitely something that you need to look at ASAP if it hasn't' had it before, especially if you are intending to use it all year round.
The wheels and brakes on the gold one look pretty poor, wheel refurb ata minimum, and check the calipers too as mentioned. But as I say I would look more towards a facelift if you can
Yup I noticed that, and I think that one is a little expensive. How would one check the calipers? Certainly an underseal is on the cards for the Scottish winter - would £200 cover it? I would always favour a facelift model - less twitchy on the limit due to 17"wheels (which definitely look better than the 16"s too), slightly softer springs at the rear too to reduce rear end bias and easier to corner without mishap (but still not foolproof of course).
Updated lights and interior etc, make the facelift a more modern look - and they will hold their money better too.
If a car has never had the suspension bolts adjusted then I think you'll be lucky if they are all free, but I think £2K is absolutely the worst possible scenario, and in all likelihood would be much less even if all four were seized (maybe £1k from what I've read, and agin that's all four).
Underseal is definitely something that you need to look at ASAP if it hasn't' had it before, especially if you are intending to use it all year round.
The wheels and brakes on the gold one look pretty poor, wheel refurb ata minimum, and check the calipers too as mentioned. But as I say I would look more towards a facelift if you can
I agree an 04-05 would be preferable but there isn't too many in budget. Perhaps I should look for a little higher mileage 04.
EDIT: Here is one relatively nearby - S2000. I think it is overpriced though.
Edited by Integroo on Wednesday 20th September 10:38
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