Salary matching - proof?
Discussion
Countdown and Fffrair thanks you understand my position.
The person we want is quite rare, young and by default overly confident and astute. Personally all I see these days are over pampered snowflakes wanting the most cash for the least effort. Checking salary is one metric I can use to weed out the dreamers however in digital marketing by default they should be good at selling themselves (or what you want them to be) and you only realise it’s not right a few months in with everyone’s time being wasted. Trying to avoid that.
The person we want is quite rare, young and by default overly confident and astute. Personally all I see these days are over pampered snowflakes wanting the most cash for the least effort. Checking salary is one metric I can use to weed out the dreamers however in digital marketing by default they should be good at selling themselves (or what you want them to be) and you only realise it’s not right a few months in with everyone’s time being wasted. Trying to avoid that.
janesmith1950 said:
Is the role of sufficient value to you at the top end and is the candidate of the calibre to justify the cost?
And to add... if you don't trust them at this early stage, you shouldn't dream of hiring them.
We’ve kissed a lot of frogs, it’s not the ££ it’s the ability I am using their ££ as proof they must be pretty decent. And to add... if you don't trust them at this early stage, you shouldn't dream of hiring them.
We haven’t mentioned salary in the job as the person we want is invaluable we would pay them (within reason) anything but we’re getting a lot of tyre kickers.
Interviews next week ......
BJG1 said:
DSLiverpool said:
We're interviewing for a PR / marketing person and we ask applicants to advise salary expectation however one person has said they earn x which is at the very top end and wants us to match it - trouble is I don't believe them.
What's protocol? Can I ask for proof? Seems odd
If they don't want an improvement on their current salary they're probably sWhat's protocol? Can I ask for proof? Seems odd
t. SystemParanoia said:
DSLiverpool said:
We made the person an offer of the salary we will pay for the job, we are continuing to interview but should know shortly.
How much was he asking for?How much did you offer?
Thanks chaps, I might make it on new clients and client retention as by default if we keep clients we make money. I will come back with whats decided - new office April, 3 new hires April potential huge new client coming March and I was ready to retire! (lifestyle bagel bakery / shop in sight, never baked, never sold food but as long as I dont lose too much its what I want to do before I sit dribbling in front of the tv seeing out my last years)
PBDirector said:
DSLiverpool said:
Thanks chaps, I might make it on new clients and client retention as by default if we keep clients we make money. I will come back with whats decided - new office April, 3 new hires April potential huge new client coming March and I was ready to retire! (lifestyle bagel bakery / shop in sight, never baked, never sold food but as long as I dont lose too much its what I want to do before I sit dribbling in front of the tv seeing out my last years)
Do *not hesitate* to make it so that the client has to have remained for x months or spent £y - or whatever it is that guarantees you’re up.I’ve seen salesmen sign up new clients and collect the bonus even though they knew the client was signed up for the wrong thing and would 100% want to refund. Didn’t matter, bonus achieved. Etc
Olivera said:
OP, weren't you boasting a few months ago about getting high quality graduates from an EU scheme on the cheap? Then you ditched them as soon as you found out it wasn't quite so cheap after all?
And now you are trying to dig up previous salary information to catch out a prospective employee?
The email about the scheme confirmed a cost of 10% of the training course no mention of salary - why would we pay a guy a decent salary to learn to code and bugger off?And now you are trying to dig up previous salary information to catch out a prospective employee?
The salary matching is me thinking not all people who do “creative” work are worth whatever salary they ask, we are near full employment as a country and some think they can swing from job to job spreading their ability thinly as they go - harsh?
Here we are again, guy we have known for years we think would be good client facing and he is not working so thought it was a match made in heaven but he wants double what we thought for the role (maybe 80% more to be fair).
I`ll make him an offer with bonus`s and reviews and performance rewards etc but the nice feeling I had has soured somewhat based on the fact he knows were young and its a good opportunity to get it whilst its growing etc.
Maybe grasping all you can is the way of the world these days.
I`ll make him an offer with bonus`s and reviews and performance rewards etc but the nice feeling I had has soured somewhat based on the fact he knows were young and its a good opportunity to get it whilst its growing etc.
Maybe grasping all you can is the way of the world these days.
strain said:
Just flicked through, do you not set your candidates tests?
My first web job i was given a jpg and told to turn it into a website, it was then tested and validated before they would even consider me.
About 5/6 years ago I was in between jobs, I was offered a role for a basic of £12,000 and then a profit share for customers I brought in and retained, I declined purely based on £12,000 was a piss-take and I'm not a salesman.
One thing I have found is there are a lot of creative web agency's in the North West, Last one I worked for cared little of my skills, actually done no testing what-so-ever but they had the idea of pile them high and pay them little too.
In your shoes I would be offering a test to prove ability, or even freelance projects which they can do in their spare time for 1-2 months to ensure the fit is good and the work is of standard, anybody with confidence in their work would be happy to do it.
Its not dev, weve not had any issues with dev and its quite easy to salary match (experience, ability) this is a client facing role/My first web job i was given a jpg and told to turn it into a website, it was then tested and validated before they would even consider me.
About 5/6 years ago I was in between jobs, I was offered a role for a basic of £12,000 and then a profit share for customers I brought in and retained, I declined purely based on £12,000 was a piss-take and I'm not a salesman.
One thing I have found is there are a lot of creative web agency's in the North West, Last one I worked for cared little of my skills, actually done no testing what-so-ever but they had the idea of pile them high and pay them little too.
In your shoes I would be offering a test to prove ability, or even freelance projects which they can do in their spare time for 1-2 months to ensure the fit is good and the work is of standard, anybody with confidence in their work would be happy to do it.
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