Trials of Finding New Job
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Apologies if there is another similar thread but after 5 months out of work I am starting to feel bitter towards the many companies that I am applying to for being ghosted right after applying or after what felt like really good 1st interviews. A quick google reveals that this is now the new normal in todays job market and that I need a thicker skin by the sounds of it......
The process seems to mainly revolve around taking your chances with a faceless online application along with no doubt 500 other candidates or at least thats how it feels.
I want to stay positive because if I do let things get to me then it could show through at future interviews. But it really does annoy when you come out of an interview thinking that went as good as it could have gone and I want that job then you get absolutely no word back not even a thanks for attending our interview. Saying well would you really want to have worked for such organisations in the first place if this is their culture is a bit of a sour grapes cop out really.
One example of how the whole recruitment thing works these days is this. Today I was thinking about whether to do a bit of voluntary work so that I dont have a huge gap in my CV and show some willing. So at 9.24 am I applied for a voluntary driving post with a well know charity. Again it was the faceless online application so you think the same as the others - you might hear back you might never hear back but hells bells guess what at 10.27am (just 63 mins after applying) I get the loveliest reply from the manager with details and an invite to meet. Sods law. Why could'nt this have been the response from the nice salaried full time dream jobs I have been applying for? Must be a world record in terms of the quickest response to a job advert this.
How are others coping and what are your hurdles or gripes??
I went to a Job Fair in the summer - what a complete waste of time that was. It was more like an exhibition for companies - they wouldnt take CVs off people but would direct you to apply online - whats the point then? You got off your backside to attend the fair to try and stand out from those that wouldnt go.
The process seems to mainly revolve around taking your chances with a faceless online application along with no doubt 500 other candidates or at least thats how it feels.
I want to stay positive because if I do let things get to me then it could show through at future interviews. But it really does annoy when you come out of an interview thinking that went as good as it could have gone and I want that job then you get absolutely no word back not even a thanks for attending our interview. Saying well would you really want to have worked for such organisations in the first place if this is their culture is a bit of a sour grapes cop out really.
One example of how the whole recruitment thing works these days is this. Today I was thinking about whether to do a bit of voluntary work so that I dont have a huge gap in my CV and show some willing. So at 9.24 am I applied for a voluntary driving post with a well know charity. Again it was the faceless online application so you think the same as the others - you might hear back you might never hear back but hells bells guess what at 10.27am (just 63 mins after applying) I get the loveliest reply from the manager with details and an invite to meet. Sods law. Why could'nt this have been the response from the nice salaried full time dream jobs I have been applying for? Must be a world record in terms of the quickest response to a job advert this.
How are others coping and what are your hurdles or gripes??
I went to a Job Fair in the summer - what a complete waste of time that was. It was more like an exhibition for companies - they wouldnt take CVs off people but would direct you to apply online - whats the point then? You got off your backside to attend the fair to try and stand out from those that wouldnt go.
Jimmy Recard said:
On the other side of things, I’ve been trying to recruit for months and finally this week got two promising CVs. One didn’t turn up to the interview we agreed on the phone and the other hopefully will later this week.
Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
the van driving job - youre not in Birmingham by any chance? ;- )Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
cheers for the replies guys. i have a lead tomorrow hopefully on something so we will see where that goes.
ive since found a pukka response when somebody is trying to think of reason NOT to offer you the job you applied for if it comes up on the phone or if it ever came up at an interview "dont you think youre a bit over-qualified for this role?"
my retort in future is this "well if you had to have an operation in hospital would you want the surgeon who is over qualified carrying out your surgery or the guy who is less qualified?"
LOLs.
ive since found a pukka response when somebody is trying to think of reason NOT to offer you the job you applied for if it comes up on the phone or if it ever came up at an interview "dont you think youre a bit over-qualified for this role?"
my retort in future is this "well if you had to have an operation in hospital would you want the surgeon who is over qualified carrying out your surgery or the guy who is less qualified?"
LOLs.
williamp said:
The other side of the coin: my wife runs a 50-odd person business, and reads the Cvs of those who answer the job adverts. She estimates she has read over 1200 so far this year.
90% are useles, saying they will commute from the south coast to Derby, for example. The good are also in this pile, but with the ease of online applying these days, anyone will apply for any job. You are facing a huge number of competition im afraid..
heres one for you to compare notes on!90% are useles, saying they will commute from the south coast to Derby, for example. The good are also in this pile, but with the ease of online applying these days, anyone will apply for any job. You are facing a huge number of competition im afraid..
I applied for a role 22 miles from my doorstep (google maps suggested a 34 min commute) and the guy on the phone was saying youve got a great CV and your experience is what we would be looking for blah blah blah but he put it to me that I would quickly get bored of the commute which he reckoned was a more realistic hours run (but an hour these days is nothing!). so he liked me but talked himself out of not putting me up for an interview. Its very hard to figure these peoples thinking out. If I had thought 22 miles was too much of a commute then surely logic dictates I would not have bothered applying.......
Audicab said:
Jimmy Recard said:
On the other side of things, I’ve been trying to recruit for months and finally this week got two promising CVs. One didn’t turn up to the interview we agreed on the phone and the other hopefully will later this week.
Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
This is exactly where we are, I have never had so many candidates not turn up for interviews and 1 not even turn up on their first day as they decided to stay where they were but didn't bother telling us.Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
Have you gone to companies direct and tried to build relationships with HR/managers who may have vacancies.
It seems to me recruitment is changing, neither side are particularly happy with it currently but nobody knows what else to do.
although of no comfort to those people who have said folk have just not turned up to start or for an interview this does at least restore some faith in me that if this is what candidates are doing then for me its just a matter of time before i land something. I dont mess people around.
creampuff said:
ToothbrushMan said:
cheers for the replies guys. i have a lead tomorrow hopefully on something so we will see where that goes.
ive since found a pukka response when somebody is trying to think of reason NOT to offer you the job you applied for if it comes up on the phone or if it ever came up at an interview "dont you think youre a bit over-qualified for this role?"
my retort in future is this "well if you had to have an operation in hospital would you want the surgeon who is over qualified carrying out your surgery or the guy who is less qualified?"
LOLs.
Not a good response. They think you are going to jack as soon as something better comes up. That response doesn’t give them confidence that you won’t. Make up a better reason. ive since found a pukka response when somebody is trying to think of reason NOT to offer you the job you applied for if it comes up on the phone or if it ever came up at an interview "dont you think youre a bit over-qualified for this role?"
my retort in future is this "well if you had to have an operation in hospital would you want the surgeon who is over qualified carrying out your surgery or the guy who is less qualified?"
LOLs.
for genuine cases I really cant think of a reason that sounds good enough to hit them back with if they come out with this youre over-qualfied line.......open to suggestions though but hope I dont need to use one again.
had another thought first thing this morning and maybe others "of a certain age" can see similarities? Please read on and let me know if this is starting to ring tru or whether I am just a bit para.
about 6 weeks back I had a great (in my eyes) 2 hour interview (which flew by) with a major global company household name etc handled their 8 competency based questions well IMHO didnt really stutter or mess up on them and the answers were solid and relateable to the role. it was all going great guns and then about 5 or 10 mins from the end the main interviewer ( it was 2 hander) said that when applying did I see they needed some ID to verify who you are and that you are entitled to work here etc? I said yes (not even thinking at this point of anything remotely untoward as it was a simple request) . she asked if I had brought this with me as it "helps speed things up later" ( you hear that line and you start to get your hopes up as it sounds like a buying sign). I had the exact qualification they required. I had the "minimum 5 years experience" in that field and more and clearly knew what I was talking about - hell, when can I start!
i had my man bag and so pulled out my wallet and handed them my driving licence and a copy of a professional certificate and deed poll name change and birth certificate. I made a point on my CV and in my applications not to reveal my age/DOB (Lets just say I am under 50 but over 45). Off she went and took ages to photocopy the documents. came back and it was like "OK" thats its then. We did the small talk as I was escorted off the premises and I've heard diddly ever since.
Now I am thinking hang on a minute it was'nt a driving job so really they did'nt need my driving licence at that early stage. Obviously right there on your licence is your DOB! so straight away they can work out my age. Now who truly knows but I've read lots of stuff on the internet suggesting that if you are over 35 years of age these days companies think you are past it and place you in the No Hire bin.
Now I am thinking well there was nothing they could fault me on at the interview so have I been a victim of ageism? Thinking it and proving are two different things. I dont see that I can pursue them for this only to ask them for feedback as I had heard nothing since the interview 6 weeks back. Is there any way I could trip them up into coming back to me and have them unwittingly incriminate themselves if I was indeed a no hire because they felt I was too old?
What I am wondering in future though is whether to refuse to hand over any documentation again like this reasoning with the interviewer that I am happy to supply it upon receipt of a written job offer but that at this stage my ID has nothing to do with the role. If I was driving a van then fair enough they might want to see my DL.
Is there a chance Ive been shafted here after handing over my DL/birth cert docs? Anyone had similar thoughts after interviews?
about 6 weeks back I had a great (in my eyes) 2 hour interview (which flew by) with a major global company household name etc handled their 8 competency based questions well IMHO didnt really stutter or mess up on them and the answers were solid and relateable to the role. it was all going great guns and then about 5 or 10 mins from the end the main interviewer ( it was 2 hander) said that when applying did I see they needed some ID to verify who you are and that you are entitled to work here etc? I said yes (not even thinking at this point of anything remotely untoward as it was a simple request) . she asked if I had brought this with me as it "helps speed things up later" ( you hear that line and you start to get your hopes up as it sounds like a buying sign). I had the exact qualification they required. I had the "minimum 5 years experience" in that field and more and clearly knew what I was talking about - hell, when can I start!
i had my man bag and so pulled out my wallet and handed them my driving licence and a copy of a professional certificate and deed poll name change and birth certificate. I made a point on my CV and in my applications not to reveal my age/DOB (Lets just say I am under 50 but over 45). Off she went and took ages to photocopy the documents. came back and it was like "OK" thats its then. We did the small talk as I was escorted off the premises and I've heard diddly ever since.
Now I am thinking hang on a minute it was'nt a driving job so really they did'nt need my driving licence at that early stage. Obviously right there on your licence is your DOB! so straight away they can work out my age. Now who truly knows but I've read lots of stuff on the internet suggesting that if you are over 35 years of age these days companies think you are past it and place you in the No Hire bin.
Now I am thinking well there was nothing they could fault me on at the interview so have I been a victim of ageism? Thinking it and proving are two different things. I dont see that I can pursue them for this only to ask them for feedback as I had heard nothing since the interview 6 weeks back. Is there any way I could trip them up into coming back to me and have them unwittingly incriminate themselves if I was indeed a no hire because they felt I was too old?
What I am wondering in future though is whether to refuse to hand over any documentation again like this reasoning with the interviewer that I am happy to supply it upon receipt of a written job offer but that at this stage my ID has nothing to do with the role. If I was driving a van then fair enough they might want to see my DL.
Is there a chance Ive been shafted here after handing over my DL/birth cert docs? Anyone had similar thoughts after interviews?
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Wednesday 5th September 06:58
On the flip side to my earlier thoughts about ageism I just got word about a lady I used to work with (we were all made redundant together ) that she has got a job now and she is 58!
i was gobsmacked when I found out as she did'nt strike me as the sort of person that knew quite where to start with writing a CV or putting herself out there or networking around the industry so how wrong can you be about somebody - good for her. Its possible she got referred by a friend but I don't know the detail.
Anyway no ageism there at 58......
Jimmy - I have sent you a PM.
i was gobsmacked when I found out as she did'nt strike me as the sort of person that knew quite where to start with writing a CV or putting herself out there or networking around the industry so how wrong can you be about somebody - good for her. Its possible she got referred by a friend but I don't know the detail.
Anyway no ageism there at 58......
Jimmy - I have sent you a PM.
xjay1337 said:
OP
Not sure if you are doing this but are you following up say a week afterwards?
I've been jumping around jobs the last 2-3 years some due to redundancy and others due to money.
I'm now in a good position with a decent company and a salary I am happy at.
I've probably had 4 jobs in the last 2 years and each one I was able to get a response back that was positive and land the job, but that being said I did have to chase a couple of times to get a reply.
Are you doing that?
If not you should be - it shows you are keen for the role. If you just leave it for 8 weeks and hope they call you then you may be disappointed ....
how have you handled the interview question about why you seem to be moving around a lot? were they temp jobs only?Not sure if you are doing this but are you following up say a week afterwards?
I've been jumping around jobs the last 2-3 years some due to redundancy and others due to money.
I'm now in a good position with a decent company and a salary I am happy at.
I've probably had 4 jobs in the last 2 years and each one I was able to get a response back that was positive and land the job, but that being said I did have to chase a couple of times to get a reply.
Are you doing that?
If not you should be - it shows you are keen for the role. If you just leave it for 8 weeks and hope they call you then you may be disappointed ....
ive had 3 runs at companies of between 3 to 4 years at each and at one interview I was basically accused of being a bit of a job hopper! incredible !
Ruskie said:
My biggest gripe with looking at jobs is not publishing a salary. Drives me insane.
this ^yet many online applications require you to disclose your last or current salary. i dont like this question as it smacks of the employer wanting to gauge how low they can get the ideal applicant in for. if I can I try to get around the question onine or put "prefer not to say" if the option exists which is rare.
in an interview I state that if i receive an offer then at that point I happy to disclose what I used to earn but I prefer not to give a figure because you never know if they think a) they cant afford you or you will not accept a low ball offer so they wont even consider you or b) you was earning a lot less than the position being applied for so maybe you wasnt "all that" and youve under sold yourself.
I dont know....theres so many crevices you can fall into trying to cover every scenario.
I do find Linkedin good at getting me right in front of key people (at least in terms of messaging direct) and you just dont get this far when applying online youre just another lemming.
lets see how far my qualification, background and experience gets me next week after connecting up with a senior guy at a firm in Leicester via Linkedin and he said send him my CV and he will pass onto the guy who handles the sort of business that I do. Its approx. 30 miles from home so will this other guy view that just the same as the guy from the company 22 miles away from me reported last week will? I hate that sort of "mileage prejudice". If the distance bothered me I wouldnt waste my time applying. Not only do they want the perfect candidate they also want you to live just round the corner.
meantime i have had 2 more emails saying unsuccessful. they really dont give anything away do they in these emails? you have no idea what they though of you its just a big fat no and thats all you get these days.
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Saturday 8th September 13:30
MitchT said:
Ruskie said:
My biggest gripe with looking at jobs is not publishing a salary. Drives me insane.
This. A million times!Employers always have an exhaustive list of what they want you to bring to the table but don't feel any obligation to indicate what they're bringing to the table. Makes my piss boil. Perhaps I should apply by sending a list of my living costs but give no indication that I have the prerequisite skills for the role.
Then there's adverts which say "competitive" salary which is f
king meaningless.Then there's the ones in the creative sector which don't indicate salary but give a long list of so-called perks... the office pool table, the office dog, the jar of free sweets on the desk in the corner by the water cooler, "your very own MacBook Pro" - 'cause now the computer I need to do my job is now apparently a perk!!!... "friday afternoon drinks" - 'cause there's no better way to start the weekend than driving home drunk... the annual company away day... etc.
Seriously, just pay me a decent wage and give me a decent pension. What matters to me is being able to cover the cost of food, shelter, utility bills and, god forgive my greed, having enough left to go on the occasional holiday. I don't give a s
t about so called perks!Anyway, I've created a version of my CV with my salary expectations on it and that's the one I send if a role doesn't have a salary indicated.
ive yet to see a job advert though with something that I would like to see....this "I.T. systems that actually work and allow you to quickly process the amount of work that we expect from you within your contracted hours". what boils my urea is the number of places I have worked at where the crap IT really does hold people back or reduces/impacts on efficiency due to outtages, screen freezes, systems down for maintenance, work builds up a backlog that you then are trying to catch back up on. Thats a basic surely?
i know this is straight forward lying i admit but now what I do on roles that I am treating as stop gaps lets say the salary is from £18-20K. on the question about current salary or salary required I would put "£17k" or maybe "18k" and take a flier on that. i am not ruling myself out by not answering the question for that particular job or out pricing myself by saying for example £25k.
so far though even that tactic hasnt fooled anyone
so far though even that tactic hasnt fooled anyone
Timja said:
Just accepted a new job. This time round I could not have had a better experience, 3 applications, 3 interviews, 3 good job offers.
Maybe luck, maybe right jobs at the right time, who knows but gives you a lot more confidence that there are good roles at good companies out there!
Previously a lot of frustrations have come from recruitment consultants wasting my time having promised the world or struggling to find something within a decent commuting distance. New job will be shortest commute for 15 years (20 miles), cant wait!
thats great. well done pal. Maybe luck, maybe right jobs at the right time, who knows but gives you a lot more confidence that there are good roles at good companies out there!
Previously a lot of frustrations have come from recruitment consultants wasting my time having promised the world or struggling to find something within a decent commuting distance. New job will be shortest commute for 15 years (20 miles), cant wait!
RenPug said:
ToothbrushMan said:
Jimmy Recard said:
On the other side of things, I’ve been trying to recruit for months and finally this week got two promising CVs. One didn’t turn up to the interview we agreed on the phone and the other hopefully will later this week.
Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
the van driving job - youre not in Birmingham by any chance? ;- )Other than that, I’ve had people applying for office jobs who can’t type, people who aren’t able-bodied applying for heavy manual jobs and even a guy who couldn’t drive applying for a van driving job.
We are very understaffed now. A few years ago I was worried about not getting enough orders and contracts, now we can’t get the work done.
ToothbrushMan said:
i know this is straight forward lying i admit but now what I do on roles that I am treating as stop gaps lets say the salary is from £18-20K. on the question about current salary or salary required I would put "£17k" or maybe "18k" and take a flier on that. i am not ruling myself out by not answering the question for that particular job or out pricing myself by saying for example £25k.
so far though even that tactic hasnt fooled anyone
it has now. get this. i have applied for various positions with one particular company 3 in total all "unsuccessful" based on true representations of my personal information. all posiitons in the same ball park for required experience and quals.so far though even that tactic hasnt fooled anyone
so early yesterday I spot another vacancy with the same company and decided that I had nothing to lose and would test them out on my theory about affordability on salary (ie; can they afford you with your experience, the experience they want) and are they ageist.
so on the question "what is your last or current salary?" this time i lied and stuck in a really low figure of £18,000. This position is likely to be over 30K.
also on the "ethical survey" question set asking about age i ticked the box marked "31-40" rather than "41 to 50" as I had done previously.
guess what by lunchtime i had a message from the hiring manager inviting me for an interview. I think this is proof that there is some truth to the age thing. Maybe too they looked at my last salary and though happy days here we have a guy we can get cheap and he has what we are looking for.
My turn to ghost an employer for a change and as far as that company is concerned its the last time I apply for anything with them. they can whistle.
it also shows that nobody has checked back on my previous applications (or has even clicked that I have applied before) and spotted the disparities in the application between the 1st 3 and this 4th. thats how good HR are.
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Tuesday 11th September 08:59
Went to sign on today as usual in between the job hunting......appointment was first thing on a group session (a talk for half an hour about something I dont know what). anyway I get there early and wait until 10 minutes past my allotted time then I was going to be signed by my usual advisor (no group session afterall) I asked whats happened to the group session? The advisors response "the provider has not turned up".
I wonder if the provider was sanctioned? they failed to turn up for one session so I hope the employer will be stopping their salary for 4 weeks. At least people who might be a bit late for their sign on do actually turn up but to not turn up at all? Its all one sided.
Then the advisor asked me for my job search and I handed her my handwritten records of activity for the last 2 weeks. She asked me if I had a smart phone. I said yes and she said there will be no need to carry on writing activity down once the universal credit switch comes in next November the staff can check your job search on your smart phone. I just shrugged and she signed me and I left. If anybody knows whether allowing the the JC to look at your phone is going to be mandatory or whether they are just trying to sneak it under the radar of the less well informed like me as this can be interspersed with other private emails that the JC have no business seeing even if they cant see all the detail without opening each email. This is my privacy here. I wont have my job applications all in one place on the email account on my phone.
I threw this into the pot too - I said with broadband costing about £35 a month there could come a time when I cannot actually afford it anymore and will have to stop my contract and disconnect - then where will my smart phone get me? The advisor said well we have computers here you can use. I can see where it is going....... they want people strapped to chairs for 8 hours a day in the noisy drafty distracting job centre using dated kit that I have seen other people frequently become frustrated with due to IT glitches and screen freezes etc. You could end up with your whole life on a JC computer.
to think that the whole system is heading toward a total lack of analogue and human inter-raction in the near future is frightening. thank god I am not disabled or have learning difficulties or suffering with an illness to wade through this increasingly thicker welfare treacle.
I have just read an article on Linkedin stating that apparently 3 in 5 companies are struggling to find skilled workers to fill their vacancies. My mind cannot compute this.
I wonder if the provider was sanctioned? they failed to turn up for one session so I hope the employer will be stopping their salary for 4 weeks. At least people who might be a bit late for their sign on do actually turn up but to not turn up at all? Its all one sided.
Then the advisor asked me for my job search and I handed her my handwritten records of activity for the last 2 weeks. She asked me if I had a smart phone. I said yes and she said there will be no need to carry on writing activity down once the universal credit switch comes in next November the staff can check your job search on your smart phone. I just shrugged and she signed me and I left. If anybody knows whether allowing the the JC to look at your phone is going to be mandatory or whether they are just trying to sneak it under the radar of the less well informed like me as this can be interspersed with other private emails that the JC have no business seeing even if they cant see all the detail without opening each email. This is my privacy here. I wont have my job applications all in one place on the email account on my phone.
I threw this into the pot too - I said with broadband costing about £35 a month there could come a time when I cannot actually afford it anymore and will have to stop my contract and disconnect - then where will my smart phone get me? The advisor said well we have computers here you can use. I can see where it is going....... they want people strapped to chairs for 8 hours a day in the noisy drafty distracting job centre using dated kit that I have seen other people frequently become frustrated with due to IT glitches and screen freezes etc. You could end up with your whole life on a JC computer.
to think that the whole system is heading toward a total lack of analogue and human inter-raction in the near future is frightening. thank god I am not disabled or have learning difficulties or suffering with an illness to wade through this increasingly thicker welfare treacle.
I have just read an article on Linkedin stating that apparently 3 in 5 companies are struggling to find skilled workers to fill their vacancies. My mind cannot compute this.
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Thursday 13th September 10:06
my "trade" is actually in the financial services sector(so sat in an aircon office riding a computer and phone) but I have found myself scouring allsorts of lines of work because I have a mortgage to pay which is really all that matters. (i wont go there on the subject of getting fack all help covering that yet if I was a private landlord with property portfolio and had a tenant on benefits in residence the state will effectively cover his mortgage). I cant apply for mortgage interest support until 39 weeks has elapsed by which time i might have lost the house so who came up 39 weeks needs shooting.
Anyways I applied for a tyre fitters job today and I never thought id hear myself say that coming from a suit and tie job ! Anyway I am a petrolhead so to me it wouldnt be a real hardship to change career path and full training is provided too which is a nice rarity these days so we will see. i am not averse to manual work.
Spotted that Virgin Media was after installation techs (again full training provided no experience required ) but this is through Kelly Communications and if you read the reviews of working at KC in this role on the Glass door review website you soon change your mind as the pay often works out to be below NMW. Not sure how they get away with this legally but most of the reviews left make for scary reading. Glassdoor is a very useful website for those that havent heard of it before. Everybody is entitled to a decent net wage at the end of every week or month but we seem to be in this race to the bottom on paying UK workers. I wont be applying to Kelly anyway.
Anyways I applied for a tyre fitters job today and I never thought id hear myself say that coming from a suit and tie job ! Anyway I am a petrolhead so to me it wouldnt be a real hardship to change career path and full training is provided too which is a nice rarity these days so we will see. i am not averse to manual work.
Spotted that Virgin Media was after installation techs (again full training provided no experience required ) but this is through Kelly Communications and if you read the reviews of working at KC in this role on the Glass door review website you soon change your mind as the pay often works out to be below NMW. Not sure how they get away with this legally but most of the reviews left make for scary reading. Glassdoor is a very useful website for those that havent heard of it before. Everybody is entitled to a decent net wage at the end of every week or month but we seem to be in this race to the bottom on paying UK workers. I wont be applying to Kelly anyway.
Thesprucegoose said:
i was out of work for 6 months, no luck with office based jobs, i now work in assembly in a factory. 50-60 hours a week but in 8 months cleared 8k of debt, whilst tackling a longteerm illness. its been hard and i'm not preaching just it is possible, i thought i couldn't do it.
i younger than you 38 but i work with people 50+ who started not done manual work before. to get your life on track with handwork it is possible, sometimes need a difference approach.
i wouldnt mind actually. i have applied for a few in fact but didnt hear back.i younger than you 38 but i work with people 50+ who started not done manual work before. to get your life on track with handwork it is possible, sometimes need a difference approach.
the thing is if you get paid extra for 50 to 60 hours thats great because you can build up a nest egg whereas many high paying office jobs almost pressure you to put in 50 or 60 hours anyway wothout any extra pay . plus with assembly work you can leave the work at the factory door but with office work you get emails and calls after 5pm. i would like some clean assembly work for sure. go in head down clock off. decent wage.
egor110 said:
Have you tried going on the post ?
£11.50 hour , soon to be 35 hour week and 5 weeks holidays and no real pressure as you can still finish on time if you want .
good call with the postie work but the only roles i have seen wer part time hours 15-25hours. full time 35 a week would get my interest. is it still worth sticking an application in?£11.50 hour , soon to be 35 hour week and 5 weeks holidays and no real pressure as you can still finish on time if you want .
also another thing that slows you down is when you see a great vacancy and you click on "APPLY" only for you to be redirected to another part of the site that requires you to register with them and then set up yet another user name and password - this I really do hate but is a necessary evil if you want to apply.
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