0 hr contracts
Discussion
I'm currently in a 0hr contract job, just something small on the side of studying at uni. Works well as I give them my timetable and they put shifts around that.
This is where I'm not too pleased with the "rules" of said job. 3 weeks in advance for any days off and cover must be found for the shift by yourself, same with being ill. 12hr notice with me finding the cover, not the easiest thing to do if you are genuinely ill. But its fine 2hrs before your shift for them to say "sorry we dont need you today". Can see why the government wants to ban these, they're a joke!
This is where I'm not too pleased with the "rules" of said job. 3 weeks in advance for any days off and cover must be found for the shift by yourself, same with being ill. 12hr notice with me finding the cover, not the easiest thing to do if you are genuinely ill. But its fine 2hrs before your shift for them to say "sorry we dont need you today". Can see why the government wants to ban these, they're a joke!
Drumroll said:
Sounds like a cr@p employer rather than anything to do with zero hours contract.
Its a big pub chain, I'm unsure if it's them or the actual site managers that are the issue. It's not the first time I've been annoyed to the extent of wanting to leave and deal with a few hundred £££ a month lessvaliant said:
For the right person, a zero hour contract can work well.
Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Where do i stand on holiday? I've said to them that I need a weekend off soon as I'm going to Northern Ireland to pick up a car, a year in the making and I can finally bring it home. Haven't had a reply, just a snotty indirect message on the FB staff group about holiday and the 3 weeks malarkey Where it nearly always falls down is employers taking the piss. They seemingly want it all one way and expect the employee to bend over backwards to accommodate the job whilst offering nothing except the allure of a day's work if you're lucky.
It's no wonder there's such a clamour from some to ban them which will unfortunately affect a small number of people who manage to make it work with a more enlightened employer.
Thing is i love the job, often spend time with the managers and co workers outside of work. It's only days off or sickness that causes disagreements with management. But its good to hear that its the management thats the issue, I didn't really know the one and outs of 0hr contracts tbh. It fits my lifestyle atm with exams etc, I've asked for the first week of November off and got no reply
andburg said:
you have no contracted hours, you're not asking for leave, you're telling them you are unavailable for work that week.
I expect the terms/contract you have is a standard hours contract for notice periods that's just had the number of hours set at 0 rather than a specifically written contract.
Thank you, I don't believe I'm entitled to holiday pay as such because i dont work enoughI expect the terms/contract you have is a standard hours contract for notice periods that's just had the number of hours set at 0 rather than a specifically written contract.
bobmcgod said:
In the place I used to work we got 6 minutes holiday for every hour we worked. work 10 hours, you get 60 minutes holiday. It told us on our payslips how many we had accrued, used and remaining. You will get holiday pay.
I've been working there almost a year, doing Thursday 10-4 And Saturday 8-4 with the odd Friday thrown in. And I've never seen holiday pay or anything on my pay slip, every month it has said NIL. I'll check the most recent when I'm able to dig it out but I'm certain it says NIL
andburg said:
i think we have very different definitions of abuse....
Because as mentioned earlier in the thread. 0hr means I'm not contracted to any shifts, once the rota is published those are my contracted hrs for that week. I'm not booking holiday, I'm informing them I'm unavailable to work those days. Asking why I want the days off is a bit personal too, when someone says they're going to see the doctor you don't say "why?" Salmonofdoubt said:
This is the company or the management abusing the 0 hours contract to give them the flexibility to cut costs.
We had some guys on 0 hours contracts in a team I managed a few years ago. They liked it, but if they called us and said I can’t work tomorrow we couldn’t fire them as it was agreed they only had to give 24 hour notice. They all accrued holiday pay, worked out as 12.07% of each hour worked.
I think it's both of them, as I'm quite good friends with the manager, she has said the company (largest private pub company in the UK hint hint) are giving them impossible targets each night, whereby they're asking for too high turnover with the least amount of staff costs. So we end up in a situation where they're cancelling shifts on the night depending on how many advance tickets have been sold, telling people to go home mid shift once they know how busy it is. It isnt on and I hope something gets done about itWe had some guys on 0 hours contracts in a team I managed a few years ago. They liked it, but if they called us and said I can’t work tomorrow we couldn’t fire them as it was agreed they only had to give 24 hour notice. They all accrued holiday pay, worked out as 12.07% of each hour worked.
The Mad Monk said:
I think you need to look at the bigger picture.
If you are studying at university, why are you working 10-4 on Thursday, with the odd Friday thrown in and posting on an internet forum at 3 in the (weekday) morning?
I think you need to take a look at what you are doing and where you are going.
Because some of us don't have a choice, I don't come from a wealthy background so don't have any extra help from rich parents or relatives. Student finance doesn't even cover my rent, and it's not an expensive place to live. I can afford 2 meals a day at best depending on the hours I do at the club. I don't have a choice but to make ends meet just to put food in front of me. And its a job that i enjoy doing, if I were flipping burgers my mental health would be 10x worse as I'd have nothing to get me out of bed. This is still country where only the rich kids get to go to university and be successful, not all poor people are dumb.If you are studying at university, why are you working 10-4 on Thursday, with the odd Friday thrown in and posting on an internet forum at 3 in the (weekday) morning?
I think you need to take a look at what you are doing and where you are going.
Vaud said:
Have you talked to your student union and department?
They often have a hardship fund and many universities also have bursaries that are not even applied for.
I have done, and I don't qualify for them. Well that's from the university themselves, I'm not sure if a student union would be any differentThey often have a hardship fund and many universities also have bursaries that are not even applied for.
Just thought I'd update this thread. I had enough of the place, sleeping all day for a shift only to wake up to a message from the manager saying not to come in. So I handed in my notice, told them to jog on. And have just heard tonight from another employee there that they've done the same today. Seen they've not sold as many advanced tickets as they thought, and given 5 employees thr night off as "they're not needed". Boils my piss this does
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