How much benefits?
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Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
What would the system give him?
I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all f
king day, turning the heating on.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
What would the system give him?
I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all f
king day, turning the heating on. Super Sonic said:
Pit Pony said:
Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
What would the system give him?
I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all fking day, turning the heating on.
Is he actually in bed all day or just in his room? How do you know this, are you at home all day?Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
What would the system give him?
I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all f
king day, turning the heating on. billshoreham]it Pony said:
Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
does that include food?
No. Occasionally we share the cooking. Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.
does that include food?
This is his second time as a Lodger with me. Prior to the Pandemic, he owned a garage. No staff, but 2 lifts and a pit.
He left mid 2020.
He contacted me last Autumn. He'd let the garage go, and was working for a main dealer.
I was needing the top up, so he moved back in.
Since then, he's started 3 different jobs, but never seems to last more than a couple of weeks. Seems very choosy, and it has to be reasonably local.
He was supposed to have an interview yesterday, but told me he'd phoned the agrncy, to tell them, it was too labour intensive.
Now he's not missed paying the rent, so I'm wondering if it is depression, or he's got just enough to live on and therefore why bother.
ZedLeg said:
r44flyer said:
Sounds like depression...
It does a bit.TBH I have to wonder what business it is of yours?
If they’re paying their rent and bills and not making a mess of your house, they’re holding up their end of the bargain.
He's paying the rent, not too untidy, so yes, there's no particular problem (apart from the casual racism and sexism)
My main concern was how long before he runs out of money.
I get £450 for providing a large room with furniture, free broadband, a bathroom, with shower (not quite ensuite) . 1/2 the kitchen cupboards, use of all kitchen utensils and crockery, and stuff, a fridge of his own, heating, lighting, use of lounge dinning room and garden.
In return, I get to stay in the black.
In return, I get to stay in the black.
Right. Update time. Last week, he got a job. Starting Yesterday.
On Thursday night he was proper pissed out of his head. Whether he remembers the st that he was chatting I don't know.
Anyway, I've been away all weekend, and got back very late last night, so don't know if he actually started the new job... I'm on an afternoon shift and then am away until next Tuesday, but hoping to see how he is this morning. I going to get my porridge now.
On Thursday night he was proper pissed out of his head. Whether he remembers the s
t that he was chatting I don't know.Anyway, I've been away all weekend, and got back very late last night, so don't know if he actually started the new job... I'm on an afternoon shift and then am away until next Tuesday, but hoping to see how he is this morning. I going to get my porridge now.
So, he got half way to work, and then came home. He phoned them and made an excuse about not being able to come in, but he was ready to leave today, pack lunch, and snacks and documents all in a ruck sack.
Admits he doesn't want to go. He says he's been getting through a lot of vodka.
Anyway, I'm no counsellor, but I suggested he look at it logically. His options are either, bottle out and go back to bed with a bottle of gin, and not have this job or any job, or go, struggle through the day, try not to hate it too much, and look forward to getting his st together, make his daughters proud. What's the worst that could happen? . They decide he's not making the grade, and sack him after 3days? Well at least he will have £300 to show for it.
What's the best that can happen? He like it, and gets paid enough to save up to take his kids on holiday, and maybe get a place of his own, and give his kids a role model to be proud of.
He's probably only gone, because he can't stand the sound of my patronising voice. Now I type that all out I sound like a tt, but I think I was more empathetic than that. Hoping so.
Admits he doesn't want to go. He says he's been getting through a lot of vodka.
Anyway, I'm no counsellor, but I suggested he look at it logically. His options are either, bottle out and go back to bed with a bottle of gin, and not have this job or any job, or go, struggle through the day, try not to hate it too much, and look forward to getting his s
t together, make his daughters proud. What's the worst that could happen? . They decide he's not making the grade, and sack him after 3days? Well at least he will have £300 to show for it. What's the best that can happen? He like it, and gets paid enough to save up to take his kids on holiday, and maybe get a place of his own, and give his kids a role model to be proud of.
He's probably only gone, because he can't stand the sound of my patronising voice. Now I type that all out I sound like a t
t, but I think I was more empathetic than that. Hoping so. Piersman2 said:
Sounds like the drink's in him. Gonna be a long slow descent. Seen it time too many times.
Unless he finds something to live for, but that doesn't seem to happen often.
God it sounds bleak, but that's my prognosis from what you've written.
Indeed. I concur.Unless he finds something to live for, but that doesn't seem to happen often.
God it sounds bleak, but that's my prognosis from what you've written.
I don't want to be the bloke that puts him out on the street, but looking at it with your eyes, that's what's ultimately going to happen, unless he suddenly finds it in him to be the person he could be.
Monkeylegend said:
What does your wife think about his behaviour PP, she can't be too happy I would imagine.
So, this is my (our) mid week house. I work about 45 mind drive from it, but 2.5 hours from our family home. (kids left home).
She hasn't been down to stay since just after he moved in because he's around during the day.
I think if he were out at work, she would spend more time down here, particularly as she can visit ournew grandchild in about an hour from here.
Update time.
Just before I went to work, I put out the recycle bin.
It's full to the brim with gin and vodka bottles and cheap council lager cans.
Then had a walk into town. Pretty sure I saw his car parked up outside some flats.
Anyway, got home to my wife at midnight after a 2.5 hour drive and we agreed the best thing for us is to serve notice whilst he's still got money in the bank.
Just before I went to work, I put out the recycle bin.
It's full to the brim with gin and vodka bottles and cheap council lager cans.
Then had a walk into town. Pretty sure I saw his car parked up outside some flats.
Anyway, got home to my wife at midnight after a 2.5 hour drive and we agreed the best thing for us is to serve notice whilst he's still got money in the bank.
alcatrazarmando said:
from reading this its pretty clear that poor chap needs some help - is the onus on a landlord to do this? probably not but you dont need this extra trouble. If you have contact details of next of kin - try contact a brother or relative and let them know that he is ****** and needs some help?
I don't have contact details.The mother of his kids lives with them in a village about 4 miles away.
KAgantua said:
Mate, dont go down the route of searching for houses for him!!
Let him sort his accomodation out, if you need to throw him on the street do it!!
Youre his landlord not his social worker...
I'm not looking for him, but I did check out how many listing's there are on Spareroom. Co.uk in Staffs and Derbyshire. 400 plus.Let him sort his accomodation out, if you need to throw him on the street do it!!
Youre his landlord not his social worker...
I'm back there tonight, and will be pointing out that his has 2 weeks to contact all 400 and move out. Not my problem.
Biggy Stardust said:
Pit Pony said:
I don't want to be the bloke that puts him out on the street,
Ultimately it's him that would be responsible for being out on the street, not you. If you've played fair then you need feel no guilt whatsoever.Which I am determined will happen.
Pit Pony said:
Just got back from. Weekend away at my parents.
He's paid a deposit on a house to rent, (which is the one I did a reference for on Openrent).
He seems much more coherent and energetic.
Is doing MOT training tomorrow for most of the week.
And the lies continue? Probably. He's paid a deposit on a house to rent, (which is the one I did a reference for on Openrent).
He seems much more coherent and energetic.
Is doing MOT training tomorrow for most of the week.
He told me on Monday, that he gets the keys today, so he will have a week to move his stuff in.
Last night he tells me, that the landlord has decided he gets the keys next Friday, because she needs to put some blinds up.
I just said, well that's fine, you've got til Sunday to move your stuff and I'll be here starting to decorate over the weekend.
What's the bet, there will be a 'problem' next week.?
And now the bullst continues. I think.
He told me all week, that he is getting the keys to his new house tomorrow.
Or rather he told me last Friday, and I referred to that conversation every day in passing, in terms of well, you'll be packing ready to take all your stuff once you get the keys.
He's just told me, that he's struggling to get hold of the landlord, "the bloody bh doesn't return my emails". He also told me he's been in bed most of the day.
I suggested that as he has her phone number, he phones her to organise a time to pick up the keys.
I want to believe him, but a sober person would ensure they had that arranged from the point they signed the AST.
I want to scream "prove you've even signed a Tenancy Agreement, and you've not been stringing me on"
My stress levels are raised now, because catastrophising I can see that on Sunday he won't have gone and I will be changing the locks, and he'll be banging on the door. Probably
t continues. I think. He told me all week, that he is getting the keys to his new house tomorrow.
Or rather he told me last Friday, and I referred to that conversation every day in passing, in terms of well, you'll be packing ready to take all your stuff once you get the keys.
He's just told me, that he's struggling to get hold of the landlord, "the bloody b
h doesn't return my emails". He also told me he's been in bed most of the day. I suggested that as he has her phone number, he phones her to organise a time to pick up the keys.
I want to believe him, but a sober person would ensure they had that arranged from the point they signed the AST.
I want to scream "prove you've even signed a Tenancy Agreement, and you've not been stringing me on"
My stress levels are raised now, because catastrophising I can see that on Sunday he won't have gone and I will be changing the locks, and he'll be banging on the door. Probably
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