ABS Pump E60 M5

ABS Pump E60 M5

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playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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Abs warning light came on, got it diagnosed they are saying the ABS pump has gone. £2k plus fitting from a Indy!! Or get the current one repaired fitted for around £500.

Does anyone have any experience with these, would getting mine repaired do the trick or would it just be a short term fix?

Also I had no issues driving the car what would have been the tell tale signs of the pump being on its way out?

playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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E30M3SE said:
There would not be any tell-tale signs of it going. BMW sell a repair kit for these, get that priced up.
I've been quoted about 1k for the repair kit.. But that apparently is a risk as it may be one part of the other. Not sure what they mean by that..

playNskillz

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109 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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Helicopter123 said:
If the car is a keeper than get the new part installed by a reputable Indy. As you know, these are expensive cars to keep going but console yourself that you have that majestic V10 to compensate.
I'm planning on selling it in September and upgrading to a F10 M5. So rather than spending 2k on it now I think getting this current one repaired is the best option. I have been told the company that repairs the current one comes with a lifetime guarantee..


playNskillz

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Sunday 17th May 2015
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Shaoxter said:
Get it repaired, a new one might fail again in the future whereas you can get repairs which use higher spec components.

But first check if it's just a sensor...
How would I know if it's a sensor? Nowadays everyone wants to pull your pants down, indys and the stealers...

playNskillz

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Sunday 17th May 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Aye, sods law its an ABS/wheel speed sensor that needs replacing.

Same thing happened on my Golf Mk4 many years ago. ABS light was triggered when I braked very hard. Diagnostic machine said I needed a new pump. Cue me sh*tting my pants as I was only a student then.

Someone then suggested an ABS sensor which was around £40. The light went off and the problem never came back.

Read M5board.com

Most problems have been covered on there and just reading through the posts gives me reassurance these days.

When problems happened on my M6 I new what they were and how they could be rectified.

The sad thing is now, looking bad, my M6 was not a dud at all. All it needed was a more understanding from the technicians and myself and my dealership visits could have been cut down to 2 instead of 5 or 6.

Ya live and learn I guess.
You do ineed, thanks for this advice. I will look into the sensor route too. Yes it happened under hard braking just once! I did have breaks and pads changed all around less than 200 miles ago..

playNskillz

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Sunday 17th May 2015
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Maz_uk said:
Give it a gentle tap with a small hammer if you're looking to get rid, it's the bushes on the motor which stick.

Then give a blast out and get the ABS working, it may come back on it may not.
Might try that lol, where is it located?

playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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So I drove it today for the first time since Saturday when the lights came on. As started the car the lights were all on I pulled away an the lights went off..
Carried on driving still stayed off. Traction was kicking in when supposed to, so I did the ABS test once it was fine nothing no warnings second time it came on again the same warnings.

Could this be the sensor or the pump?

playNskillz

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Monday 18th May 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I would say sensor as a pump would not go on and off like that. Just my opinion though.
Again parked up switched it back on and the lights all went off.. I will look at the sensor option first.

playNskillz

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Monday 18th May 2015
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jcolley said:
Do you have the error codes stored in the DSC module?
No I don't I took it to my Indy an he told me that the pump has gone. It's gone off again an not come on again I haven't tested the ABS again. Spoke to the Indy he said if it was the sensor that error would have come up. He said as it's the pump that error will come up. He said that it will sometimes come on an off ie the warning lights.. Not sure if he's trying to get more work out of me than needs be. So difficult to trust any mechanics these days.

playNskillz

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109 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Spoke to another Indy he said that if it's an intermittent fault then it's most likely the Pump and not the sensor. It only comes on under hard braking ie when having to use the ABS. (Not something I would want to risk being faulty).

I will get the part repaired and see what happens from there.

playNskillz

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Monday 18th May 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
The ABS/wheel speed sensor is the cheapest fix.

Part number is 34527841957

Hope this helps
Nice one thanks for that I will most probably just get the pump repaired and take it from there to be honest as two indys have said that it's mostly likely the pump an not the sensor of the problem is intermittent.

playNskillz

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Monday 18th May 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I would say sensor as a pump would not go on and off like that. Just my opinion though.
My local Indy won't change the sensor as he's adamant it's not the sensor. The other Indy wants me to come to him get a diagnostics done from him then decide where to go... Obv he's going to charge my £65 for the pleasure...

playNskillz

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Monday 18th May 2015
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Shaoxter said:
Surely an intermittent fault would indicate a faulty sensor?
And if your ABS/Traction control still works then that means the ABS pump is still working...?
I will look at both options a see what happens. Thank fully it's not come back on again so far. Lets see how I get on this week.

playNskillz

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Tuesday 19th May 2015
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jcolley said:
Do you have the error codes stored in the DSC module?
Here's a pic of the codes it's showing...

playNskillz

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109 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Bump

playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I'm afraid that is the pump frown
A repair it is then...

playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Haven't had the error come up until today again, used my fault reader last time reset the lights somehow. Can't remember what steps I used last time but when I reset it then drove off the lights came off. Can't seem to reset them now.

playNskillz

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Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Hi Guys, update on this issue, had my ABS pump removed and sent off to ECUtesting to get repaired. All has been fixed and rebuilt with the brushes replaced and components replaced with a lifetime warranty and is on its way back to be for £195. Bargain compared to Stealers and Indy!

We were striggling to find where the abs pump is in the E60 M5, after abut of reasearch we found it to be under the rear of the wheel arch of the front left tyre.

Quick question once the pump is back in and the breakfluid is topped up etc. Is there anything I need to do to get the abs unit fully working ie get the fluid going all around correctly?

playNskillz

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Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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jcolley said:
Yes, there are several procedures in DIS, ISTA, or INPA for the DSC. Pressure sensor zero calibrations, valve positions, steering angle sensor calibration, etc. It's not guaranteed those will need to be reperformed if the electronics were the same as your original, but I've seen it required for much less intrusive jobs.

There is however a running in portion of the test that is also used when bleeding the brakes. Do you have DIS or ISTA? It should recommend the test procedure for you.
The software etc is thae same so I won't have to have anything reprogrammed. What is DIS and ISTA?

playNskillz

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128 posts

109 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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jcolley said:
Yes, there are several procedures in DIS, ISTA, or INPA for the DSC. Pressure sensor zero calibrations, valve positions, steering angle sensor calibration, etc. It's not guaranteed those will need to be reperformed if the electronics were the same as your original, but I've seen it required for much less intrusive jobs.

There is however a running in portion of the test that is also used when bleeding the brakes. Do you have DIS or ISTA? It should recommend the test procedure for you.
I've only got the c110 code reader 97