Saying Hello - new M6 GC on the way!
Discussion
Hi guys, just wanted to say hello.
My E63 AMG lease is going back at Christmas, so after much head scratching and phone calling and man-maths calculating I ended up ordering something I never considered until it hit me on the nose!
An M6 Gran Coupe LCI - Blimey! In San Marino blue with aragon brown full leather (kind of tan). Wacky colours, but no worries about resale with a lease
It'll be good to be back in a BM again, missed one since the 450bhp tuned 335i tourer went in 2013.
Daft lease deal sealed it for me. I was considering a used GTR, but the M6 new lease was way less than I could finance a 60K GTR for. It was even £50/m less than the best M3 lease i could find. And the modding bug on a GTR would raise the "real" cost sky high.
Main plus was it didn't need any options, unlike the M5 which doesn't even come with 20" wheels FFS! Options on a lease can kill it, and they made the M5 lease more than the M6, despite a £25 list gap.
Can't wait!! I'll be getting the BMS Stage 1 tune plugged in pretty sharpish too... Whoever said 560bhp was enough?
My E63 AMG lease is going back at Christmas, so after much head scratching and phone calling and man-maths calculating I ended up ordering something I never considered until it hit me on the nose!
An M6 Gran Coupe LCI - Blimey! In San Marino blue with aragon brown full leather (kind of tan). Wacky colours, but no worries about resale with a lease
It'll be good to be back in a BM again, missed one since the 450bhp tuned 335i tourer went in 2013.
Daft lease deal sealed it for me. I was considering a used GTR, but the M6 new lease was way less than I could finance a 60K GTR for. It was even £50/m less than the best M3 lease i could find. And the modding bug on a GTR would raise the "real" cost sky high.
Main plus was it didn't need any options, unlike the M5 which doesn't even come with 20" wheels FFS! Options on a lease can kill it, and they made the M5 lease more than the M6, despite a £25 list gap.
Can't wait!! I'll be getting the BMS Stage 1 tune plugged in pretty sharpish too... Whoever said 560bhp was enough?
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 27th October 14:23
Sorry chaps, been busy!
The basic car deal was £680 inc VAT on 9+35 from EWFS in Edinburgh. That includes 3 years road tax, a full tank and even £150 expenses to travel to Edinburgh to collect it! Make a nice day out of it.
The M6 Coupes were going for £650 inc VAT, but I wanted the 4 door as this still needs to be a family car (only one daughter 7 though). Oddly, Peter Vardy in Edinburgh were also offering Coupes at £650, but they couldn't quite match EWFS for the GC.
Seems like these two places in Edinburgh offer consistently the best lease deals on M's. I'd been wathcing EWFS deals sine 2013.
Mainly I'd been eyeing up M5s at around £550-600inc VAT, but the M5 needs 20" wheels, a decent hifi, M seats etc, you're looking at another £100/m just for those.
So the M6, being a whole step up build wise (and looks wise for me) anyway and comes with everything. Even split fold rear seats as standard! Also standard, 20" wheels (two types inc M5 343M type if you want) FULL merino leather (£5K on M5), carbon fibre trim, alcantara headlining, harmon kardon hifi, full LED adaptive headlights, the list goes on.....
The basic car deal was £680 inc VAT on 9+35 from EWFS in Edinburgh. That includes 3 years road tax, a full tank and even £150 expenses to travel to Edinburgh to collect it! Make a nice day out of it.
The M6 Coupes were going for £650 inc VAT, but I wanted the 4 door as this still needs to be a family car (only one daughter 7 though). Oddly, Peter Vardy in Edinburgh were also offering Coupes at £650, but they couldn't quite match EWFS for the GC.
Seems like these two places in Edinburgh offer consistently the best lease deals on M's. I'd been wathcing EWFS deals sine 2013.
Mainly I'd been eyeing up M5s at around £550-600inc VAT, but the M5 needs 20" wheels, a decent hifi, M seats etc, you're looking at another £100/m just for those.
So the M6, being a whole step up build wise (and looks wise for me) anyway and comes with everything. Even split fold rear seats as standard! Also standard, 20" wheels (two types inc M5 343M type if you want) FULL merino leather (£5K on M5), carbon fibre trim, alcantara headlining, harmon kardon hifi, full LED adaptive headlights, the list goes on.....
Edited by mikeN54 on Thursday 29th October 10:50
Brokers are / have been for a while, discounting M6GC by 25K to £72K new before negotiation, so that is the "real" list price, not 97K.
Thus sept 15 delivery miles cars up for £72K at BMW. http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.4/Sheffield/3744876-...
Dealers trying for high 50's on a 2yo 2013 car are taking the P##s when you can get a new one for 72, or less.... more like £40K for a 2yo one.
Or lease a new one for less than they'll PCP you a 330d.
Thus sept 15 delivery miles cars up for £72K at BMW. http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.4/Sheffield/3744876-...
Dealers trying for high 50's on a 2yo 2013 car are taking the P##s when you can get a new one for 72, or less.... more like £40K for a 2yo one.
Or lease a new one for less than they'll PCP you a 330d.
kippaxking said:
Good work. You won't regret it. The colour scheme sounds amazing, I assume the brown interior is a cost option?
I picked my GC up last week after two years in an M5. Loved the M5 to bits but the GC takes it to another level. The interior alone is worth the extra £25k, not very PH I know but it really makes the car feel more special.
Peter Vardy in Edinburgh were excellent and I really can't think of anything else I would rather be driving.
Is that your garage? It looks cleaner than our bathroom! I picked my GC up last week after two years in an M5. Loved the M5 to bits but the GC takes it to another level. The interior alone is worth the extra £25k, not very PH I know but it really makes the car feel more special.
Peter Vardy in Edinburgh were excellent and I really can't think of anything else I would rather be driving.
Thank for the comments,I'm feeling excited already! Roll on Xmas!
The brown is a no-cost leather (full leather free on 2015 LCI cars), along with sakhir orange, Silverstone and black leather
Not very PH you're right, but I love good interiors, makes the car sometimes. It not a Caterham so it's fine to enjoy the luxury on the inside.
Edited by mikeN54 on Thursday 29th October 21:50
JMBMWM5 said:
payed £72666:00 for a well specced M6 GC CP, It specced up too £111K with Service Pack, soo big saving had it a year, nice car but hard to park in many places and mostly unusable power wise, ticking over @ 90/100 MPH.
Nearly got raped come PX time, got lucky though.
Traded it for the new LCI M3, just as quick too 80/100 MPH room for 4 comfortable with a boot.
Good purchase deal on the M6.Nearly got raped come PX time, got lucky though.
Traded it for the new LCI M3, just as quick too 80/100 MPH room for 4 comfortable with a boot.
I'm currently in an E63 AMG Estate, so the size thing is OK. I've gone for surround view to save the wheels!
New M3s are nice, but more to lease than a new M6GC, so I couldn't justify it.
cgauk said:
Be great to see the colour combo in the flesh when you get it
I aspire to own one of these - my head finds leasing hard to accept - so I'll probably wait until they are cheaper and 2-3 years old.
What is it about leasing you don't like? Is it the perceived ownership issue?I aspire to own one of these - my head finds leasing hard to accept - so I'll probably wait until they are cheaper and 2-3 years old.
Interior snaps below, and a nice US pic of an SM blue GC. (I've got the black grills ordered already)...
Edited by mikeN54 on Sunday 1st November 20:27
cgauk said:
Looks awesome - congrats - the black grills suit it and make it meaner
I've leased a car before and was paranoid about keeping it pristine - the return was actually painless but I worried about the car more than if I'd owned it
Thanks!. I don't mind keeping it pristine, that's a sort of hobby, time permitting.I've leased a car before and was paranoid about keeping it pristine - the return was actually painless but I worried about the car more than if I'd owned it
It will be a non-daily driver in the winter anyway.
Parking the thing does concern me. So I ordered the surround view cameras which gives you a view of all 4 wheels and front / rear while parking - could save some expensive scrapes.
No ball-breaking negotiations here - I'm British!
It was pretty much the advertised price, about 20 quid off I think, but their price was already about 200 quid lower than anyone else (except Peter Vardy down the road). That's the "fun" in leasing. The prices changes all the time and bear little resemblance to list prices.
I did get a similar price from Peter Vardy Edinburgh, and EWFS beat it by a little so I went for it.
On 2nd October the prices jumped right up, back in the £1000's at most places and by a few hundred at EWFS. Colin at EWFS said BMW has reduced their M6 support by about 10 grand for this quarter.
But it might come back, On the other hand M5 support is up further this quarter....
It was pretty much the advertised price, about 20 quid off I think, but their price was already about 200 quid lower than anyone else (except Peter Vardy down the road). That's the "fun" in leasing. The prices changes all the time and bear little resemblance to list prices.
I did get a similar price from Peter Vardy Edinburgh, and EWFS beat it by a little so I went for it.
On 2nd October the prices jumped right up, back in the £1000's at most places and by a few hundred at EWFS. Colin at EWFS said BMW has reduced their M6 support by about 10 grand for this quarter.
But it might come back, On the other hand M5 support is up further this quarter....
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 3rd November 13:06
8kpa.
Fine for me, I've only managed to do 17,000 in my E63 in 2 years and that has involved 2 holidays in France and pointless driving around trying to meet the 10kpa on the lease for that!
M6 excess is 25p/mile inc vat. (only 6p/mile on the E63 though). So if I did 10kpa that would cost me £1500 at the end / £41per month equivalent.
M6 full lease cost over 3yrs / 24,000 miles works out at £1.24/mile (that figure is best forgotten!)
Fine for me, I've only managed to do 17,000 in my E63 in 2 years and that has involved 2 holidays in France and pointless driving around trying to meet the 10kpa on the lease for that!
M6 excess is 25p/mile inc vat. (only 6p/mile on the E63 though). So if I did 10kpa that would cost me £1500 at the end / £41per month equivalent.
M6 full lease cost over 3yrs / 24,000 miles works out at £1.24/mile (that figure is best forgotten!)
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 3rd November 13:06
From iND in the states, bought via CA Technologies over here.
http://ind-distribution.com/ind/categories/exterio...
I wanted black front and side grills, but BMW only make performance front grills.
iND make full grill sets from OE parts carefully sprayed gloss black (or any other colour). Including a choice of repeater lense tint in the side grills.
Not cheap, but I can sell them on when the car goes.
http://ind-distribution.com/ind/categories/exterio...
I wanted black front and side grills, but BMW only make performance front grills.
iND make full grill sets from OE parts carefully sprayed gloss black (or any other colour). Including a choice of repeater lense tint in the side grills.
Not cheap, but I can sell them on when the car goes.
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 3rd November 21:16
Here it is, just arrived.
What a thing of beauty it is too. Amazing interior, so driver focused. Tol many gadget's to mention.
First mods done, black grills and side markers.
Also carbon exhaust tips to replace the naff chrome ones, but they're not in the photos.
Enjoy...
What a thing of beauty it is too. Amazing interior, so driver focused. Tol many gadget's to mention.
First mods done, black grills and side markers.
Also carbon exhaust tips to replace the naff chrome ones, but they're not in the photos.
Enjoy...
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 1st March 09:48
Thanks for the comments all.
Yes it was a factory order to my spec. It might have been an existing booked production slot though and then they changed the spec. I say this because I ordered it on 30th September and it was built on the 25th October and in the dealers here mid November which is very quick, barely 6 weeks. All dealers had quoted 12-14 weeks delivery.
If it was, then that may have led to the low price in order to sell the slot.
Re the size / M5 comments, I get what you're saying. I don't like the coupe proportions, too much body and not enough door! A bit Garth Cheeseman / ford probe. The 6 has a more "cosy" interior that envelopes you a lot more which for me more than made up for any loss of headroom. It won't be doing furniture removals, so as long as 4 adults can fit that ticks the box. The back actually feels more roomy than the E63, a little less footroom, but more seat depth and body room if that makes sense. It's rather like a fancy private jet in the back, all leather deep sculpted seats and full electric sunblinds..
The 6 interiors as a range are a step up from the 5s, that's the model hierarchy, but the M6 makes the F10 M5 feel like a 320d inside to me.
The gran coupe shape really sits well in my eyes and and despite coming from an E63 estate the interior and boot size isn't an issue at all.
I had planned on an M5, but the F10 interior is too long in the tooth IMO, and they go out of production next spring which for me would spoil it a bit, each to their own of course...
Yes it was a factory order to my spec. It might have been an existing booked production slot though and then they changed the spec. I say this because I ordered it on 30th September and it was built on the 25th October and in the dealers here mid November which is very quick, barely 6 weeks. All dealers had quoted 12-14 weeks delivery.
If it was, then that may have led to the low price in order to sell the slot.
Re the size / M5 comments, I get what you're saying. I don't like the coupe proportions, too much body and not enough door! A bit Garth Cheeseman / ford probe. The 6 has a more "cosy" interior that envelopes you a lot more which for me more than made up for any loss of headroom. It won't be doing furniture removals, so as long as 4 adults can fit that ticks the box. The back actually feels more roomy than the E63, a little less footroom, but more seat depth and body room if that makes sense. It's rather like a fancy private jet in the back, all leather deep sculpted seats and full electric sunblinds..
The 6 interiors as a range are a step up from the 5s, that's the model hierarchy, but the M6 makes the F10 M5 feel like a 320d inside to me.
The gran coupe shape really sits well in my eyes and and despite coming from an E63 estate the interior and boot size isn't an issue at all.
I had planned on an M5, but the F10 interior is too long in the tooth IMO, and they go out of production next spring which for me would spoil it a bit, each to their own of course...
Edited by mikeN54 on Monday 28th December 20:21
mjw0321 said:
....It has really made me think that it could offer everything the M5 does, but with the special looks and an even better drive (from what I have read) and a nicer interior. It might be a year away, but I am excited!
A couple of questions...
Do you know when the M6 will be being replaced?
Do you have any idea what the competition pack adds to the monthly price on a lease?
Sounds like you're going through the same thought process that I did, only I didn't have an M5 to begin with, I was deciding between the two.A couple of questions...
Do you know when the M6 will be being replaced?
Do you have any idea what the competition pack adds to the monthly price on a lease?
As for being replaced, the M6 / F06 LCI was only in summer 15, so it must be 2 more years at least to run. Google some BM forums, they usually have production timetables online.
The M5 stops production this spring.
When I quoted the M6 the Comp Pack varied from place to place. The dealer that did the best overall lease price wanted £120/m for the CP, but the 2nd dealer who were more on the car wanted £90/m for the CP.
With the few minor options I wanted it was just a push too far for me, £120/m = £5280 @ 9+35.
Having quoted dozens of lease cars over the last few years, you might struggle to get a good deal on 13k mile's, the deals will be on 8 or 10k max, maybe 2 or 3 years depending. You'll just have to factor in excess mileage.
Mines on 8k, with 25p/mile excess. So 5kpa extra (total 13kpa) would add £104/month equivalent to pay at the end. If I'd have asked for 13kpa in the lease it would have cost more and you don't get it back if you do less miles. Usually if you veer away from the offer terms you wave goodbye to the offer!
Despite being a near 100k car I still had to add comfort access at £650, having had it for 6 years now I wasn't goin to go without it. And full leccy sunblinds for rear window and doors at £800 for the kid(s) which make the interior a lovely shady place in the summer. Didn't want privacy glass as the rear-only tint breaks up the window lines from outside IMO.
Also, for me, it would be impossible to park properly without surround view at £800... a snip if it saves wheel damage and ego damage....
That was it for me option wise, but just that lot adds £50/m or so.
The surround view is a really a revelation, you can slot it into any space with ease just using the virtual "from above" view, really impressive. Works in the dark too.
Mines on 8k, with 25p/mile excess. So 5kpa extra (total 13kpa) would add £104/month equivalent to pay at the end. If I'd have asked for 13kpa in the lease it would have cost more and you don't get it back if you do less miles. Usually if you veer away from the offer terms you wave goodbye to the offer!
Despite being a near 100k car I still had to add comfort access at £650, having had it for 6 years now I wasn't goin to go without it. And full leccy sunblinds for rear window and doors at £800 for the kid(s) which make the interior a lovely shady place in the summer. Didn't want privacy glass as the rear-only tint breaks up the window lines from outside IMO.
Also, for me, it would be impossible to park properly without surround view at £800... a snip if it saves wheel damage and ego damage....
That was it for me option wise, but just that lot adds £50/m or so.
The surround view is a really a revelation, you can slot it into any space with ease just using the virtual "from above" view, really impressive. Works in the dark too.
Edited by mikeN54 on Sunday 31st January 18:48
Don't forget the LCI M6 has standard full leather - a 5 grand option on the M5!
...and spangly facelift full LED spaceship headlights....
...and a carbon roof...
...and no cost option full alcantara headlining and A/B/C pillar casings...
...and full carbon trim...
...and fancy M seats...
...and fitted floor mats with trim edgings that match the interior colour (sad I know)...
...and, hold your breath... standard split fold rear seats! gasp!...
...and... oh it drives pretty good too
Oh how times have changed since my 1983 MK1 XR2! which by the way also had split fold rear seats and cost new less than the full leather option on an M5!
...and spangly facelift full LED spaceship headlights....
...and a carbon roof...
...and no cost option full alcantara headlining and A/B/C pillar casings...
...and full carbon trim...
...and fancy M seats...
...and fitted floor mats with trim edgings that match the interior colour (sad I know)...
...and, hold your breath... standard split fold rear seats! gasp!...
...and... oh it drives pretty good too
Oh how times have changed since my 1983 MK1 XR2! which by the way also had split fold rear seats and cost new less than the full leather option on an M5!
Edited by mikeN54 on Sunday 31st January 21:02
Hi WM,
...In a strange twist of fate I've been hankering after my old 335i manual tourer.
Which TBH was a better drive than the M6 and sounded WAY better and cost a fraction to buy and run, but a bit long in the tooth now and I find the E9x interior dated very badly (IMO).
I fell for the looks and the interior on the M6GC which are spectacular. I really need a two seater sports car as well for fun drives, but can't afford both.
It is a lovely thing, mores so to look at than drive. I still prefer manual cars and the S63tu engine is completely silent from inside the car except for electronic noise which is not special sound at all. They sound great from OUTSIDE so windows open helps a lot to get some noise in. My wifes new Golf GTI sounds much more dynamic than an M5/M6 ever could from inside.
So, in short it is a great GT, beautifully built and amazing interior, and a great family car with a big boot. Goes bloody quick in a straight line but too heavy for the B roads. Very big, a b
h to park, v poor visibility. Great for posing in.
An autobahn blaster then, except we don't have any autobahns...
No reliability issues with it, just defective leather on a door card, except it took the dealers 2 months to fix it. I've done my own coding etc, it is a frightfully complex car so i think you'd have to pay for extended warranty if you get one.
What sort of age / spec are you looking at? If I was buying used I'd try for a comp pack and carbon brakes.
Mike
...In a strange twist of fate I've been hankering after my old 335i manual tourer.
Which TBH was a better drive than the M6 and sounded WAY better and cost a fraction to buy and run, but a bit long in the tooth now and I find the E9x interior dated very badly (IMO).
I fell for the looks and the interior on the M6GC which are spectacular. I really need a two seater sports car as well for fun drives, but can't afford both.
It is a lovely thing, mores so to look at than drive. I still prefer manual cars and the S63tu engine is completely silent from inside the car except for electronic noise which is not special sound at all. They sound great from OUTSIDE so windows open helps a lot to get some noise in. My wifes new Golf GTI sounds much more dynamic than an M5/M6 ever could from inside.
So, in short it is a great GT, beautifully built and amazing interior, and a great family car with a big boot. Goes bloody quick in a straight line but too heavy for the B roads. Very big, a b
h to park, v poor visibility. Great for posing in.An autobahn blaster then, except we don't have any autobahns...
No reliability issues with it, just defective leather on a door card, except it took the dealers 2 months to fix it. I've done my own coding etc, it is a frightfully complex car so i think you'd have to pay for extended warranty if you get one.
What sort of age / spec are you looking at? If I was buying used I'd try for a comp pack and carbon brakes.
Mike
Edited by mikeN54 on Monday 3rd July 14:57
windymissile said:
Thanks for the detailed response Mike.
I love my 335i. But as you said, it's showing its age now. The interior is not so much an issue for me. I still find it a nice place to be, although it is dated when comparing to the new offerings.
I expect the M6 to be a lot less connected but I'm surprised to hear you think the E90 offers a better general driving experience.
I have my eye on a 15reg in a colour combo I like. It's a few preferred options missing but they are so rare it's almost impossible to find a perfect one. No carbon brakes. I think comp pack was std on 2015 onwards..?
Cheers,
WM
WM, I think my E91 with the birds kit, quaife, JB4, DPs and all that was a more engaging and involving drive than the M6GC, but as M5London says the M6GC is a pretty spectacular car and it does defy physics for a 2 ton+ vehicle. The front end grip is remarkable, in fact my front tyres are more worn than the rears at 10.5K. (more corners than in London).I love my 335i. But as you said, it's showing its age now. The interior is not so much an issue for me. I still find it a nice place to be, although it is dated when comparing to the new offerings.
I expect the M6 to be a lot less connected but I'm surprised to hear you think the E90 offers a better general driving experience.
I have my eye on a 15reg in a colour combo I like. It's a few preferred options missing but they are so rare it's almost impossible to find a perfect one. No carbon brakes. I think comp pack was std on 2015 onwards..?
Cheers,
WM
And again there is probably no better "multi purpose" car on the road for having a bit of fun on some (wider) twisties then hammering down the motorway GT style, and arriving in perfect comfort and style, with 4 people (5 if one is short) and a good boot of luggage. Inevitably such versatility comes with trade offs, you have to drive one to see how it fits your expectations.
Thing is it is SO fast, 3rd gear will get you banned in a few seconds, it's hard to feel like you're using the car as intended in the UK. 4th gear is all you need for blistering pace from 40-140. A quick blast, and a then a light throttle will hold 120/130 feeling like 80 in anything else.
I also have the exhaustmeister gadget http://exhaustmeister.com/ which opens the exhaust flaps on demand and allows more noise at more regular driving speeds, and does nice pop-bang noises on upshifts. I ordered it from the US direct, only about $150USD all in at the time.
We love the electric rear window and door blinds, so do rear passengers. I only wish i'd gone for rear 2-zone aircon over comfort access. I thought CA was needed to make starting keyless, but it's already keyless start, so it just adds a fiddly keyless unlock - for £800, which needs 3 or 4 grabs at the handle to unlock, then it unlocks and locks again, E91 worked better.(no wavy foot boot open either). So I just use the button on the key - waste of £800!
As said, summer 15 gets facelift (LCI) and loads of free stuff, inc full leather (5K), LED headlights (2.5K), alcantara/leather headliner (1K) etc..
Anyway, get some test drives to see what you think.
Edited by mikeN54 on Wednesday 5th July 14:29
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