Grand Cherokee WK 3.0 CRD vs Discovery TD5
Discussion
I originally posted in the car buying section but haven't had a response, so I've copied it to here to see if it'll get more of a response:
Ok, to cut a long story short, I thought I'd narrowed down our future dog vehicle/boat towing/snow vehicle as a Jeep Grand Cherokee WK 3.0 CRD.
However now I've the cash I'm struggling to find decent ones in Overland spec to look at that aren't at the other end of the country. Either they've seats that are falling apart, dodgy mileage history or oil leaks. So my thoughts keep going back to TD5 Discoveries...
So thinking out loud through my pros and cons am I missing anything:
Engine
GC has a 3.0 CRD 215bhp vs 135ish of TD5
GC has swirl issues and a few seem to be getting oil leaks. Easily remapped for more power. Longevity?
TD5 can have exhaust manifold issues, limited remap potential (up to 170 ish with intercooler?)
Rust
GCs don't seem rusty
Disco rear chassis extensions rust and sunroofs leak
Electronic
GCs have a few minor issues, Lo ratio select being common
Three Amigos on the disco
Availability
Lots of Discos to choose from
Less GCs about
Parts
Disco parts easy to get and cheap (but may need more of them?)
Jeep parts harder/more expensive to get
Specialists
Loads of people used to working on Discos
Jeep specialists who also understand the Merc motor are less common
Cost
Jeep is more expensive £5-7k typically
Disco in nice condition seems to be £4-6k
Aesthetics
We (the girlfriend and I) both prefer the aesthetics of the Disco. The Disco has more classic appeal
Interior
Leather Disco interiors seem to where well, they often have 7 seats which is a bonus when we have visiting family
The GC interior is more modern, but can look a little cheap.
Unsure on comfort of seats in either for a long trip
On road
Disco is live axle front and rear, slower and probably more ponderous, is it less comfy on a long trip?
GC is swifter, better for cruising/higher cruising speed, IFS so slightly comfier?
Off Road
GC has auto locking diffs front, centre and rear, Disco may have locking centre diff depending on year/model/options and relies on traction control to a degree, both are probably adequate for our needs (beach/slip ways and snow).
So what am I missing? And what should I go for? I'm probably going to continue looking at both locally (<100 miles) for now.
Ok, to cut a long story short, I thought I'd narrowed down our future dog vehicle/boat towing/snow vehicle as a Jeep Grand Cherokee WK 3.0 CRD.
However now I've the cash I'm struggling to find decent ones in Overland spec to look at that aren't at the other end of the country. Either they've seats that are falling apart, dodgy mileage history or oil leaks. So my thoughts keep going back to TD5 Discoveries...
So thinking out loud through my pros and cons am I missing anything:
Engine
GC has a 3.0 CRD 215bhp vs 135ish of TD5
GC has swirl issues and a few seem to be getting oil leaks. Easily remapped for more power. Longevity?
TD5 can have exhaust manifold issues, limited remap potential (up to 170 ish with intercooler?)
Rust
GCs don't seem rusty
Disco rear chassis extensions rust and sunroofs leak
Electronic
GCs have a few minor issues, Lo ratio select being common
Three Amigos on the disco
Availability
Lots of Discos to choose from
Less GCs about
Parts
Disco parts easy to get and cheap (but may need more of them?)
Jeep parts harder/more expensive to get
Specialists
Loads of people used to working on Discos
Jeep specialists who also understand the Merc motor are less common
Cost
Jeep is more expensive £5-7k typically
Disco in nice condition seems to be £4-6k
Aesthetics
We (the girlfriend and I) both prefer the aesthetics of the Disco. The Disco has more classic appeal
Interior
Leather Disco interiors seem to where well, they often have 7 seats which is a bonus when we have visiting family
The GC interior is more modern, but can look a little cheap.
Unsure on comfort of seats in either for a long trip
On road
Disco is live axle front and rear, slower and probably more ponderous, is it less comfy on a long trip?
GC is swifter, better for cruising/higher cruising speed, IFS so slightly comfier?
Off Road
GC has auto locking diffs front, centre and rear, Disco may have locking centre diff depending on year/model/options and relies on traction control to a degree, both are probably adequate for our needs (beach/slip ways and snow).
So what am I missing? And what should I go for? I'm probably going to continue looking at both locally (<100 miles) for now.
I drove my friends '06 Overland Grand Cherokee last night and (compared to my VW T4 van) it felt remarkably car like to drive, not that high. One thing I did notice that the boot actually isn't that big given the high floor and relatively low roof. It did pull well coming up the bank from Runswick Bay though! So still undecided.
Edited by TiminYorkshire on Tuesday 4th July 11:00
Given my other vehicles are a VW T4 van and a MX5 Mk1 on coil overs I think it will be different, as you say covering a wide set of bases without being the best in any one category (it should be faster/comfier than the van, comfier than the MX5, better at towing than the van, more refined than both etc...).
We'll see how tomorrow's viewing goes...
We'll see how tomorrow's viewing goes...
This one was a bit shabby in general, none of the rams (rear boot/bonnet) worked, it had the most surface rust underneath that I'd seen, a poorly painted replacement wing mirror, stained headlining, non-functioning rear TPMS, had a service request on the dashboard and was just generally a bit down at heel, which was surprising given it was relatively low mileage. However it didn't have any big leaks.
The search continues...
The search continues...
horpe.I've set up a reader's ride thread for it here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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