Helmet standards

[BertBert]

My snell 2005 lid expires this year, so I need a new one over the winter (for UK circuit racing). Are there any standards to avoid that will be ended soon? Is it complex to get a helmet that is compatible with the tethers on my HANS? All info gratefully received.
Thanks
Bert

[BertBert]

Thanks both.
Bert

[BertBert]

When I googled the Snell standards, the expiry for 2005 often comes up as dec 31st 2017 which it clearly didn't do! So I assume that got extended.
Bert

[BertBert]

df76 said:

If you look at all the very latest helmets on sale, they all reference only the FIA certification, so shouldn't be an issue for those now buying.

That's good news!

[BertBert]

majordad said:

I noticed at the CSCC Spa round n June the helmet standard was FIA not Snell.

The euro races done under uk auspices (such as not needing an intl licence) are always complex. It's the same with fire extinguishers.
Bert

[BertBert]

shirt said:

Hans intercompatability:

Resurrecting this as I am looking in anger now, starting at Autosport tomorrow.

However, I'm not sure I understand the diagram.

Boxes on the left show which tethers can be in which HANS.
Boxes on the right show which HANS posts can go on which helmets.

Do the interconnecting lines say that any valid HANS/tether combination from the LHS can go with any valid Helmet/post combination on the RHS?

Thus if I have an existing valid HANS/tether setup (which I do - FIA 8858-2002), I can't really go wrong buying a new helmet with the posts fitted?

Although the diagram doesn't have FIA 8860-2018 helmets I assume the same applies?

Cheers
Bert

[BertBert]

although on looking further, 8860-2018 looks to be an ultra-safe F1 helmet, not even remotely in my price bracket!

[BertBert]

df76 said:

Correct.

The diagram is a few years old, so predates the very latest 2018 spec (for very expensive helmets!).

Thanks for the confirmation and on the basis I am trying to be budget focused, I won't be buying a 2018 spec one!
Bert

[BertBert]

Me again, so we have started the season with the normal debates with the Scroots. Miss Bert had the debate all last season with the scroots that a 2002 tether can't be used with 2010 posts. But they always debated and relented. Now I have a helmet with 2010 posts, we've both had the debate (with a different set of scroots than normal). Who again said, it's not allowed but we are ok for the one meeting.

Does anyone have a current definitive reference I can use to settle the debate and either take it to scrutineering every time, or show myself that 2002 tethers are not valid with 2010 posts and buy new ones.

Then of course we'll be debating 2010 tethers in a 2002 HANS I reckon!

Thanks again
Bert

[BertBert]

As you were everyone, with the help of google, I've found the above diagram in a current (17/4/19) motorsport UK technical doc and the same with commentary in a 2016 MSA news which explicitly states that both the two valid HANS/tether cominations on the LHS are valid with either of the valid helmet/post combinations on the RHS. I'll print out and laminate both as handy helper sheets for the next scrutineering!
Bert

https://www.motorsportuk.org/assets/msanews710215....
https://www.motorsportuk.org/assets/msastandardsfo...

Edited by BertBert on Tuesday 23 April 10:52

[BertBert]

shirt said:

or, how many competitors don't read the regs?

Same can be said of the Scrutineers! Interestingly, I don't know where you'd look for those specific compatabilities for HANS devices, tethers, posts and helmets. Perhaps you could help as I can't see them in the Blue Book.
Bert

[BertBert]

df76 said:

The detail isn’t in the blue book. It’s an FIA standard, so you need to go there for the finer points.

And that's not the easiest thing to do in the world. Perhaps "Mr Shirt" can help us.
Bert

[BertBert]

Thanks for the reply.

I think I have what I wanted, but your comment made sense. Why not just read the regs! So I went off to find the FIA regs to see where the compatibility is defined and completely failed!
Cheers
Bert