AUDI TTCR (TT Cup Racing)
Discussion
Hi Guys,
Are any PH'ers looking to race in this brand new BRSCC AUDI TTCR series in 2023?
"The UKs only one-make Audi series". It's being put together largely by the guys at SW Motorsports and is aimed at being genuinely affordable single-make racing. The build kits are £7999 plus the cost of the car, and a few additional costs to complete the build (eg. seat & extinguisher).
All-in the cars are available as turn-key race cars for £16,500 which appears bloody good value. They are 'club-spec' as I call it, rather than seriously comprehensive race car builds. For example the roll cages are bolt-in rather than some of the serious cages you see on something like, for instance, the BRSCC Fiesta Championship cars. And the suspension is just BC Racing, rather than for example AST suspension. But that results in a very affordable race car, which comes in at literally HALF the cost of a new Fiesta Championship car. And won't break the bank to repair after any damage.
There are reportedly already 35+ cars currently in-build.. which you'd hope would result in pretty healthy grid numbers. Which alleviates the main worry of any brand new series - that the uptake might be too low to make it workable.
Wondering if anyone on here is planning to race in it?
Are any PH'ers looking to race in this brand new BRSCC AUDI TTCR series in 2023?
"The UKs only one-make Audi series". It's being put together largely by the guys at SW Motorsports and is aimed at being genuinely affordable single-make racing. The build kits are £7999 plus the cost of the car, and a few additional costs to complete the build (eg. seat & extinguisher).
All-in the cars are available as turn-key race cars for £16,500 which appears bloody good value. They are 'club-spec' as I call it, rather than seriously comprehensive race car builds. For example the roll cages are bolt-in rather than some of the serious cages you see on something like, for instance, the BRSCC Fiesta Championship cars. And the suspension is just BC Racing, rather than for example AST suspension. But that results in a very affordable race car, which comes in at literally HALF the cost of a new Fiesta Championship car. And won't break the bank to repair after any damage.
There are reportedly already 35+ cars currently in-build.. which you'd hope would result in pretty healthy grid numbers. Which alleviates the main worry of any brand new series - that the uptake might be too low to make it workable.
Wondering if anyone on here is planning to race in it?
Definitely understand your pessimism there mate! Plenty of new series come along and don't quite take off.
Difference with this one is, those getting involved have the confidence that there are already over 30 cars bought / being built. So the main worry of 'lack of interest' seems to already be somewhat allayed.
Its being run in a similar way to the City Car Cup, and the grids for that series have been healthy; and the ethos of keeping the racing low-cost appears to have been maintained into its second/third seasons. So the TTCR will hopefully go the same way.
I'm pretty confident the series is going to work well. Just curious if anyone else on here has been paying close attention to it, and if anyone has already taken the plunge on a car?
Difference with this one is, those getting involved have the confidence that there are already over 30 cars bought / being built. So the main worry of 'lack of interest' seems to already be somewhat allayed.
Its being run in a similar way to the City Car Cup, and the grids for that series have been healthy; and the ethos of keeping the racing low-cost appears to have been maintained into its second/third seasons. So the TTCR will hopefully go the same way.
I'm pretty confident the series is going to work well. Just curious if anyone else on here has been paying close attention to it, and if anyone has already taken the plunge on a car?
That's fair enough, everyone has their own opinion. But I'd say that's a harsh criticism of the BRSCC, I've been racing with them myself and find it a great club - and there are a number of their series that I follow and thoroughly enjoy watching.
But specifically on this new series my interest is precisely that it is not an expensive series. Expensive is a very subjective word. But compared with the other modern single-make series out there, this TTCR Is looking very affordable indeed.
The likes of BARC's Mini Challenge or Ginetta Championship, and now the BRSCC's Fiesta Championship, are mega money and really not an option for many modest-budget club racers. If you want to be racing in a relatively up to date modern car (I guess I mean a car that is within 10 or so years old) then the market is actually not saturated, there are hardly any options at all.
Many of the affordable single-make series are in pretty old cars - there's nothing wrong with that, but for some it doesn't have the same appeal as lining up in a field of modern machinery. If there really are 30+ of these TT's currently being built then I think this series fills a gap perfectly. Will be interesting to see how many cars appear over the coming 3 months.
But specifically on this new series my interest is precisely that it is not an expensive series. Expensive is a very subjective word. But compared with the other modern single-make series out there, this TTCR Is looking very affordable indeed.
The likes of BARC's Mini Challenge or Ginetta Championship, and now the BRSCC's Fiesta Championship, are mega money and really not an option for many modest-budget club racers. If you want to be racing in a relatively up to date modern car (I guess I mean a car that is within 10 or so years old) then the market is actually not saturated, there are hardly any options at all.
Many of the affordable single-make series are in pretty old cars - there's nothing wrong with that, but for some it doesn't have the same appeal as lining up in a field of modern machinery. If there really are 30+ of these TT's currently being built then I think this series fills a gap perfectly. Will be interesting to see how many cars appear over the coming 3 months.
Type R Trophy looks pretty good to be fair. Has anyone raced in that, or been following it closely? The Civic Cup obviously still has a great following and solid grids too.
Those series I guess do fall into this bracket. But, the cars are ageing and although the newer FN2 Civics are allowed I think the uptake on those models has been really low. So neither of those series are really in modern cars. Cracking cars that they are (I've owned and raced a Civic Cup car myself).. the EP3 went out of production in what 2004? Or 2005? So these are old cars now.
There was clearly a gap in the market for a series with cars 5-10 years newer, but at the same entry-cost and running-cost.
Those series I guess do fall into this bracket. But, the cars are ageing and although the newer FN2 Civics are allowed I think the uptake on those models has been really low. So neither of those series are really in modern cars. Cracking cars that they are (I've owned and raced a Civic Cup car myself).. the EP3 went out of production in what 2004? Or 2005? So these are old cars now.
There was clearly a gap in the market for a series with cars 5-10 years newer, but at the same entry-cost and running-cost.
I took the plunge.
My car was delivered fully-built, a couple of weeks ago at Oulton Park. The TTCR guys very kindly ran the car for me on the day (and another customer) so that we had full support whilst giving the cars their first on-track shakedown. My car had no issues all day.. just a few minor snagging issues to sort out (such as warning beeps going off in the cabin, a lot!).
We've since done another full day with the car at Brands Hatch. Early impressions are good. It is a relatively modest spec of car, but the engine and (manual) drivetrain are good, the handling is fun and encourages pushing the car hard. Power seems pretty good, especially for me coming from a N/A Fiesta to a turbocharged car. Weight is noticeable, they are not lightweight cars. But the brakes are up to the job in my opinion, and the Quaife diff helps.
All in all, I'm happy with it, and looking forward to seeing what 20+ of these cars on track at the same time will be like. Hoping for respectful driving standards.. although I'm fully aware that single-make racing comes with its inherent risks!!
Will update as the season gets underway.
My car was delivered fully-built, a couple of weeks ago at Oulton Park. The TTCR guys very kindly ran the car for me on the day (and another customer) so that we had full support whilst giving the cars their first on-track shakedown. My car had no issues all day.. just a few minor snagging issues to sort out (such as warning beeps going off in the cabin, a lot!).
We've since done another full day with the car at Brands Hatch. Early impressions are good. It is a relatively modest spec of car, but the engine and (manual) drivetrain are good, the handling is fun and encourages pushing the car hard. Power seems pretty good, especially for me coming from a N/A Fiesta to a turbocharged car. Weight is noticeable, they are not lightweight cars. But the brakes are up to the job in my opinion, and the Quaife diff helps.
All in all, I'm happy with it, and looking forward to seeing what 20+ of these cars on track at the same time will be like. Hoping for respectful driving standards.. although I'm fully aware that single-make racing comes with its inherent risks!!
Will update as the season gets underway.
Here she is...
We took delivery in February, at Oulton Park, where we held a thorough shakedown day with the guys from TTCR / Garage23
Since then we've also carried out 2 full days of testing at Brands Hatch
The car is great. Good power. Braking seems fairly strong; we have the option of PBS or DS3000 pads. Its not lightweight, you can really feel the weight; compared with the Ford Fiesta I'm used to, these TTCR cars appear to be coming in around 1300KG or thereabouts - so you do feel that in the corners particularly at corner exit.
But the car is really good fun to drive, the grip levels have surprised us. In the wet, traction is a weak point. The cars run an ATB diff, but in the wet the semi-slick control tyre struggles with the power. Great fun to hustle in the wet though.
Overall, we're really pleased with the car and feel like its going to be a very fun season of racing. It'll be great to see 20 of these cars going at it, over a race weekend.
First round is in April, at Brands Indy.
We took delivery in February, at Oulton Park, where we held a thorough shakedown day with the guys from TTCR / Garage23
Since then we've also carried out 2 full days of testing at Brands Hatch
The car is great. Good power. Braking seems fairly strong; we have the option of PBS or DS3000 pads. Its not lightweight, you can really feel the weight; compared with the Ford Fiesta I'm used to, these TTCR cars appear to be coming in around 1300KG or thereabouts - so you do feel that in the corners particularly at corner exit.
But the car is really good fun to drive, the grip levels have surprised us. In the wet, traction is a weak point. The cars run an ATB diff, but in the wet the semi-slick control tyre struggles with the power. Great fun to hustle in the wet though.
Overall, we're really pleased with the car and feel like its going to be a very fun season of racing. It'll be great to see 20 of these cars going at it, over a race weekend.
First round is in April, at Brands Indy.
The first ever round of TTCR went pretty well.
For those wondering how the first grid looked - it was impressive!
17 cars arrived for the inaugural race weekend at Brands Hatch.
A very healthy turn-out for a brand new series on its first ever race weekend.
It looks like grid sizes are going to be very healthy indeed.
The cars were immaculately presented.
And they were fast too. 54 seconds around the Brands Indy circuit.. not slow!
And it was seriously tight too. Just 1 second between the pole-sitter and 13th on the grid...!!
Our car for the season:
I had a shocker in Qualifying, making a poor setup error... and being just a few tenths off the pace meant I was all the way down in 11th!!! And so on the back foot all day from there. A tough first day in the office!
But the pace was so even, its great to see that all drivers will be arriving at each race weekend on the hunt for podiums and top5 finishes.
Exciting season ahead I reckon.
For those wondering how the first grid looked - it was impressive!
17 cars arrived for the inaugural race weekend at Brands Hatch.
A very healthy turn-out for a brand new series on its first ever race weekend.
It looks like grid sizes are going to be very healthy indeed.
The cars were immaculately presented.
And they were fast too. 54 seconds around the Brands Indy circuit.. not slow!
And it was seriously tight too. Just 1 second between the pole-sitter and 13th on the grid...!!
Our car for the season:
I had a shocker in Qualifying, making a poor setup error... and being just a few tenths off the pace meant I was all the way down in 11th!!! And so on the back foot all day from there. A tough first day in the office!
But the pace was so even, its great to see that all drivers will be arriving at each race weekend on the hunt for podiums and top5 finishes.
Exciting season ahead I reckon.
I'm not aware of any major reliability issues, no. I can't speak for the cars that didn't finish Race 2; I didn't see what went on with them. But there were no major pile-ups or significant race incidents. And there weren't loads of cars being pulled apart in the paddock.
I think a few people had the odd teething problem. But that was more likely down to this being the first race outing for almost every car on the grid - rather than being reliability issues.
I think a few people had the odd teething problem. But that was more likely down to this being the first race outing for almost every car on the grid - rather than being reliability issues.
Good stuff, come over and say hi.
We had a very eventful race weekend at Snetterton a couple of weeks ago, we did not have a good time at all. Somehow managed to finish all 3 races, but in terms of results it was an absolute shocker. And the car didn't look too pretty by the end of it either.
So I'm hoping for a quieter weekend at Donington Park tomorrow!
We had a very eventful race weekend at Snetterton a couple of weeks ago, we did not have a good time at all. Somehow managed to finish all 3 races, but in terms of results it was an absolute shocker. And the car didn't look too pretty by the end of it either.
So I'm hoping for a quieter weekend at Donington Park tomorrow!
MID-SEASON UPDATE
I haven't posted many updates on our Audi TT Cup Racing season so far. Mostly because time gets away from you. But also possibly due to lack of exciting updates to share! We're midway through the season and haven't scored any podiums or wins yet. But having some good fun, and very much enjoying the car. The turnouts for meetings have been good. Driving standards have been decent. I'll try to give an honest and open update of how our year is going, given its a brand new series and a few people have asked me whether I'd recommend it for them to try next year.
BRANDS HATCH
We had a good opening round at our home circuit. Having had wet rainy conditions in pretty much every single one of our pre-season test-days / track-days; we had unfortunately had no dry running time to learn the car and test the setup. Unfortunately we found out the hard way that we had the setup wrong. Only a few tenths off the pace in Qualifying, but the car was clearly set up to understeer in the dry and we couldnt get a clean lap out of it. We finished our races in the top10 out of 15-20 cars in both races. But it was a disappointment, given how well we know the track - we believed we should have had the pace to compete for a podium in those opening 2 races - especially before the bigger teams had all begun getting to grips with the new cars as the season progressed. There was some great close racing throughout the field, and we managed a few good overtakes. Definitely not very much overtaking going on in general though, but as a result the driving standards were good with very little contact and certainly not a general air of 'rubbing is racing', which was a relief.
SNETTERTON
A shocker of a weekend for us, in many ways. I was rear-ended in stationary traffic on the way to the circuit, doing serious damage to the trailer. Then I got disqualified from Qualifying [plus a further 10 second grid penalty] for failing the minimum weight by a few kgs (a rooky error by me under-fuelling the car - although very harshly penalised given its a brand new series / and compared with the extremely relaxed approach being taken to other regs such as people failing the ride height checks but being let off). We had a good Race1 making our way back into the pack despite the penalty at the start. Then I got rear-ended for the second time that weekend, and spun off track in Race2 and finished last as a result. Race3 started really well and made my way back into the pack again, then had further contact (this time mostly my own fault) giving us some more paint work to sort out and again finished towards the back of the field. Shocker of a weekend really, car bruised, and ego not much better. But its all part of racing! And plenty of lessons learned.
DONINGTON
Lovely circuit with lots of very close racing. The guys at the front of the field have now really got to grips with the cars and it shows. The fastest cars are now noticeably faster than the second half of the field. Testing starting to come into play, and setup clearly now playing much more of a part. The cars were fast at Donny and suited the circuit - lots of the teams are pretty local to there, and there was some great racing. We had a pretty quiet weekend, finished our races kind of where we expected to given it was only our second visit to the track and we didn't do any testing. Couple more new cars have joined at each meeting so far, so there's a few different cars/faces at each race weekend which is nice. Clearly there is at least 30 of these cars built and running now. It was a very healthy entry for this meeting.
KNOCKHILL
We skipped this round as we'd raced at Knockhill last season in the Fiestas, and although it was a cracking circuit to visit - the drive was a 22hour round trip for us and we didn't want to do it two years running. We opted to enter the Audi into a different series at Brands Hatch that month instead, and raced on the Super Touring Power weekend with all the old classic touring cars. They still had a reasonable turnout at Knockhill though sharing the weekend with TCR UK, and watching on the livestream it looked like there were some awesome battles going on. A big weekend for Richard Forber who took his first two wins of the season after a cracking weekend - and David Robb who had some awesome pace at his home circuit and with a bit more luck would have been troubling the podium.
BRANDS HATCH
We entered our Audi into 'Thunder Saloons' on the Super Touring Power weekend, and found ourselves racing with pretty much the entire contingent of Classic Jaguars! On our control semi-slick Nankang tyres we were no match for the rest of the field of Thunder Saloons but found ourselves very well matched in pace to the field of Jags. We had a couple of cracking races playing tag (not literally) with several of the Jaguars - and I was relieved to hear after the races that we didn't impact their own in-house battles and they were perfectly happy to race with me for track position. We've finally nailed the setup on the Audi, took us a while but we're now really happy with how it handles on a dry track. New personal best time for Brands Indy too. The Audi will go SO much faster on slicks, although its been suggested that Yoko A052's are the best way to go; 'Darkside Developments' apparently ran their Audi 5 seconds a lap quicker on those tyres.
GOODWOOD
We took our TT for a mid-season jaunt to Goodwood for the Eagle Sprint last weekend. Managed a pretty reasonable time in the absolutely abysmal monsoon-like wet conditions. We took away a little trophy for 3rd in class, and had a very nice time meeting some people from the BHMC. The Audi felt very at home on the track, and it made me think the car would be pretty well suited to Sprint racing - especially with some better tyres. These Audis are having some good success racing in other series, such as Clubsport Trophy... another good plus point if you're considering taking the plunge and buying/building your own car; it is proving itself to be a good choice for mixed-badge races too.
CADWELL PARK
This coming weekend will see the Audi TTCR Series head to Cadwell Park, a lot of people's favourite circuit on the calendar. Again, we will not be benefitting from testing whereas a number of teams will be there on Friday (and in some cases I believe also Thursday) for testing. So there'll be no prizes for guessing which cars will be on the podium! (Sour grapes from the pauper who can't afford to go testing!!). Looking forward to driving the car at this fantastic track, but again, not expecting to trouble the teams who are now routinely taking the top 6 places at each race.
CROFT + SNETTERTON
The last remaining race meetings for Audi TTCR after Cadwell Park. We will definitely be at the final round at Snetterton, but may perhaps swap Croft for yet another different race series weekend at Brands Hatch instead.
It is a good race series. I like the car a lot. The cars are quick and handle well. The competition is pretty fierce; there is no doubting this is very competitive racing. The front running cars are being pedalled by very good drivers, most of whom have very solid experience and some of them pretty impressive CV's in single-make racing. They also have team support; including running the cars and doing ample testing for every round. Realistically this is a necessity if you want to be competitive (I appreciate that is not news to anyone!).
If you want a series that can compete with Civic Cup or Fiesta Championship, then this is a good option. Driving standards are good, costs thus far have been fairly manageable. But the cars cost way north of the £15k originally pitched... you're really talking minimum £20k for a car with all the necessary parts, if not a little more - the freshly-built grey car for sale now at £19,200 represents good value.
Am I enjoying it, yes. Would I recommend the series? Ask me at the end of the season, I'm not sure yet. If you can afford to be run by a team, then definitely yes I would recommend it. If you're considering running yourself all year, ask me again at the end of the season.
I haven't posted many updates on our Audi TT Cup Racing season so far. Mostly because time gets away from you. But also possibly due to lack of exciting updates to share! We're midway through the season and haven't scored any podiums or wins yet. But having some good fun, and very much enjoying the car. The turnouts for meetings have been good. Driving standards have been decent. I'll try to give an honest and open update of how our year is going, given its a brand new series and a few people have asked me whether I'd recommend it for them to try next year.
BRANDS HATCH
We had a good opening round at our home circuit. Having had wet rainy conditions in pretty much every single one of our pre-season test-days / track-days; we had unfortunately had no dry running time to learn the car and test the setup. Unfortunately we found out the hard way that we had the setup wrong. Only a few tenths off the pace in Qualifying, but the car was clearly set up to understeer in the dry and we couldnt get a clean lap out of it. We finished our races in the top10 out of 15-20 cars in both races. But it was a disappointment, given how well we know the track - we believed we should have had the pace to compete for a podium in those opening 2 races - especially before the bigger teams had all begun getting to grips with the new cars as the season progressed. There was some great close racing throughout the field, and we managed a few good overtakes. Definitely not very much overtaking going on in general though, but as a result the driving standards were good with very little contact and certainly not a general air of 'rubbing is racing', which was a relief.
SNETTERTON
A shocker of a weekend for us, in many ways. I was rear-ended in stationary traffic on the way to the circuit, doing serious damage to the trailer. Then I got disqualified from Qualifying [plus a further 10 second grid penalty] for failing the minimum weight by a few kgs (a rooky error by me under-fuelling the car - although very harshly penalised given its a brand new series / and compared with the extremely relaxed approach being taken to other regs such as people failing the ride height checks but being let off). We had a good Race1 making our way back into the pack despite the penalty at the start. Then I got rear-ended for the second time that weekend, and spun off track in Race2 and finished last as a result. Race3 started really well and made my way back into the pack again, then had further contact (this time mostly my own fault) giving us some more paint work to sort out and again finished towards the back of the field. Shocker of a weekend really, car bruised, and ego not much better. But its all part of racing! And plenty of lessons learned.
DONINGTON
Lovely circuit with lots of very close racing. The guys at the front of the field have now really got to grips with the cars and it shows. The fastest cars are now noticeably faster than the second half of the field. Testing starting to come into play, and setup clearly now playing much more of a part. The cars were fast at Donny and suited the circuit - lots of the teams are pretty local to there, and there was some great racing. We had a pretty quiet weekend, finished our races kind of where we expected to given it was only our second visit to the track and we didn't do any testing. Couple more new cars have joined at each meeting so far, so there's a few different cars/faces at each race weekend which is nice. Clearly there is at least 30 of these cars built and running now. It was a very healthy entry for this meeting.
KNOCKHILL
We skipped this round as we'd raced at Knockhill last season in the Fiestas, and although it was a cracking circuit to visit - the drive was a 22hour round trip for us and we didn't want to do it two years running. We opted to enter the Audi into a different series at Brands Hatch that month instead, and raced on the Super Touring Power weekend with all the old classic touring cars. They still had a reasonable turnout at Knockhill though sharing the weekend with TCR UK, and watching on the livestream it looked like there were some awesome battles going on. A big weekend for Richard Forber who took his first two wins of the season after a cracking weekend - and David Robb who had some awesome pace at his home circuit and with a bit more luck would have been troubling the podium.
BRANDS HATCH
We entered our Audi into 'Thunder Saloons' on the Super Touring Power weekend, and found ourselves racing with pretty much the entire contingent of Classic Jaguars! On our control semi-slick Nankang tyres we were no match for the rest of the field of Thunder Saloons but found ourselves very well matched in pace to the field of Jags. We had a couple of cracking races playing tag (not literally) with several of the Jaguars - and I was relieved to hear after the races that we didn't impact their own in-house battles and they were perfectly happy to race with me for track position. We've finally nailed the setup on the Audi, took us a while but we're now really happy with how it handles on a dry track. New personal best time for Brands Indy too. The Audi will go SO much faster on slicks, although its been suggested that Yoko A052's are the best way to go; 'Darkside Developments' apparently ran their Audi 5 seconds a lap quicker on those tyres.
GOODWOOD
We took our TT for a mid-season jaunt to Goodwood for the Eagle Sprint last weekend. Managed a pretty reasonable time in the absolutely abysmal monsoon-like wet conditions. We took away a little trophy for 3rd in class, and had a very nice time meeting some people from the BHMC. The Audi felt very at home on the track, and it made me think the car would be pretty well suited to Sprint racing - especially with some better tyres. These Audis are having some good success racing in other series, such as Clubsport Trophy... another good plus point if you're considering taking the plunge and buying/building your own car; it is proving itself to be a good choice for mixed-badge races too.
CADWELL PARK
This coming weekend will see the Audi TTCR Series head to Cadwell Park, a lot of people's favourite circuit on the calendar. Again, we will not be benefitting from testing whereas a number of teams will be there on Friday (and in some cases I believe also Thursday) for testing. So there'll be no prizes for guessing which cars will be on the podium! (Sour grapes from the pauper who can't afford to go testing!!). Looking forward to driving the car at this fantastic track, but again, not expecting to trouble the teams who are now routinely taking the top 6 places at each race.
CROFT + SNETTERTON
The last remaining race meetings for Audi TTCR after Cadwell Park. We will definitely be at the final round at Snetterton, but may perhaps swap Croft for yet another different race series weekend at Brands Hatch instead.
It is a good race series. I like the car a lot. The cars are quick and handle well. The competition is pretty fierce; there is no doubting this is very competitive racing. The front running cars are being pedalled by very good drivers, most of whom have very solid experience and some of them pretty impressive CV's in single-make racing. They also have team support; including running the cars and doing ample testing for every round. Realistically this is a necessity if you want to be competitive (I appreciate that is not news to anyone!).
If you want a series that can compete with Civic Cup or Fiesta Championship, then this is a good option. Driving standards are good, costs thus far have been fairly manageable. But the cars cost way north of the £15k originally pitched... you're really talking minimum £20k for a car with all the necessary parts, if not a little more - the freshly-built grey car for sale now at £19,200 represents good value.
Am I enjoying it, yes. Would I recommend the series? Ask me at the end of the season, I'm not sure yet. If you can afford to be run by a team, then definitely yes I would recommend it. If you're considering running yourself all year, ask me again at the end of the season.
Edited by SparrowHawk on Monday 7th August 23:52
END OF SEASON UPDATE
So that's a wrap for 2023. The first ever season of BRSCC Audi TT Cup Racing can surely only be seen as a success? All brand new race series' have the same worry... what if no one shows up??? Well, I can give a first hand account that this series had excellent grids for its first year of racing and is clearly set to have even bigger grids next year. We had over 20 cars at the final round at Snetterton. I'll be shocked if there aren't 25+ cars on the grid for the opening round in 2024.
Will we be joining them next season? No.
The series has clearly got a lot of people interested, and there are plenty of racers considering TTCR as an option for 2024. I've had loads of people ask me my thoughts on the series, both on social media and at the tracks. So I'll try to answer some of those questions honestly and (unlike me) succinctly, as an extra bit of info for anyone considering TTCR for next year.
Are the cars any good?
Yes. They're fun to drive, they have some interesting characteristics, you are not simply holding your foot flat all the way round the circuit you do have to drive them. The biggest limiting factor all year has been the tyre, and they are now switching from the NS2R to a Direzza next season which will clearly make a big difference to how the car feels and how quick it goes. The cars have proven fairly reliable - ours didn't fail us all season and was 100%. But there were a fair number of engine failures across the year for other teams. I am not the right person to go into any detail on that, but I would say that most people have got by fairly well by simply pulling out engines and swapping in a new donor engine when things go wrong. There don't appear to be many other weak points / regular technical failures on the car (other than many drivers constantly complaining about brake issues and braking-related issues) but I personally have found the new EBC brake upgrade kit to be excellent. The Cartek electronic isolator is clearly also a frequent source of issues and a much maligned part among the drivers! The cars have also proven themselves super competitive on other grids. A few of the guys have raced very successfully in Clubsport this year. The TT's sit quite nicely in a couple other classes and look like a great choice of all-rounder race car. Another really good reason to go for it!
Whats with the DSG / Manual mix of cars, isn't single-make racing supposed to be identical cars?
I don't understand this either, its really puzzled me. But my advice is do not run a DSG car. My car is a manual, so I'm not best placed to give advice on anything specific to do with the DSG cars. But I am privvy to all of the conversations that happen between TTCR teams / drivers... and I'm saying do not run a DSG car.
Would you recommend trying TTCR in 2024?
This depends. Its only my opinion, and I'm far from an 'experienced racer', so there are lots of people on the TTCR grid this year who's opinion I'd listen to wayyy before mine. But for those who've asked me; YES I would recommend it IF you're going to be run by a team. If you're already a 'proper team', running a car or being run in another single-make series, then yes I'd definitely recommend TTCR it has everything that the other big single-make series have and its going to get bigger next year - go for it! BUT if you're planning to build your own car, chuck it on a trailer, and rock up to the races on your own or with your Dad (like I did) then I cannot honestly say that I'd recommend it. I just think that its not the series it looked like before it started (in my view). This may be purely down to my naivety and lack of single-make racing experience - but I thought all the cars would be identical in performance and that even the less experienced / well-prepared drivers could rock up and have a good go. But my steep learning curve this season has told me that's simply not the case. The same 4, 5, 6 drivers occupied the top 4, 5, 6 positions at every race. The front half of the grid are faster drivers, for sure. But they are also quite simply in faster cars, as well. I'm not saying that there's any mischief going on, I mean that the front running cars are simply prepared to a much higher standard, have really experienced people making the decisions and running the cars, and that the multitude of marginal gains they achieve across a race weekend add up to a huge margin by the time you get on track. If you're a one-man band or a very small outfit racing purely for fun - you'll have to go into this series totally cool with being outside the top-10 at every single race. For some people that's absolutely fine; but its hard to justify spending £20-30K a season to do that, it's just not enough fun - and there isn't a class system to give you something else to aim for (unless your an older driver in which case you can battle for the silver fox award). It may be that this is the same in any single-make series, and what I'm saying sounds really obvious to people who have raced in MX5's or CityCup etc. But it was news to me this year, and is the main reason why I am not racing in TTCR next season, so I thought worth sharing in case its useful for anyone else to hear as they contemplate the series for themselves. I should caveat what I've said, by mentioning that there were other 'small' teams running on a tight budget with limited personel who DID manage to mix it near the front at times - and its perfectly possible that a sh*t hot driver may be able to simply jump into one of these cars and be competitive. Its just my personal conclusion that you'll need to be run by a proper team to have a proper go.
Why don't you just take what you've learned and apply it in TTCR next season in 2024?
Budget. I can't afford to join one of the teams and have my car run for me, and learn how to do it properly - I'd need much deeper pockets for that. To be a front runner in this series you'll need to go testing every round, and I'm not able to extend my race weekends to Thursday-Sunday, its sadly not feasible. Its also other aspects of budget too - the cars continued to get more expensive as the 2023 season went on, with a multitude of parts becoming necessary and some mandatory - this will inevitably continue with further costs such as new turbos etc likely to crop up. There's also the tyre issue; my personal view (which I kept to myself during the almost relentless tyre discussions throughout the year) was that the NS2R tyre was fine - its cheap and cheerful and it makes sense for the tyre to be the limiting factor in the cars - everyone's in the same boat - and the car remains unstressed instead of upgrading the tyre and then making the gearbox or driveshafts or something else the weak point. But the consensus was the cars needed better (and much more expensive) tyres. So the tyre budget for next season will go from circa £800 to around £3000 (just my estimate based on whats been said). In short, I don't think TTCR is the entry-level single make series it was pitched as. Its not for new racers, and its not for tiny teams. Its a new direct competitor to the Civic Cup, and in my view it serves almost exactly the same audience. I'm sad about that, because I thought it was intentionally conceived for and aimed at a distinct bracket below that, but it my experience that's just not the case. If that's what you're looking for then a much better choice would be the BRSCC ST150 Challenge or something else.
What did it cost?
£30,000. That's a lot of money for an entry level series. The car turned out to cost a good deal more to build than was advertised. And there were a few expenses that cropped up along the season. But thats what it cost me to race this season, from first getting the car all the way through to racing at the final round. Obviously costs vary hugely depending on teams and circumstances, others may have been able to do it cheaper than me? But I may as well be honest and share my own experience as a loosely useful guide to others in my position. If you are dreaming of building a TTCR car yourself and racing next season on a really carefully worked out budget of 20K forget it - its only going to get more expensive next year. God knows what they guys who bought their cars and then did arrive'n'drive spent this year... not entry level money!
I have a few other gripes about the series and the way its been run which have helped my decision not to race in it next season. But I think those are possibly personal to me specifically and not necessarily reflective of this season as a whole for the TTCR - so best kept to myself rather than shared in a public forum; others may have had much more positive experiences or views of certain things than me. I would say that the consensus in the paddock and drivers groups seems to be generally very positive.
So in conclusion, I think TTCR is a cracking addition to our beloved sport. Its going to be a support series for TCR next season which can only be a good thing for the series' popularity and exposure (if not a good thing for the costs). The cars are good, and the paddock is really good - full of friendly helpful people who are there to have fun and not to get their elbows out. The future looks bright. But that gap in the market that I thought TTCR had arrived to fill is sadly still open.
We'll be watching the races next year, and probably kicking ourselves for not being involved. It will be a great series to watch, and an excellent addition to the TCR package.
So that's a wrap for 2023. The first ever season of BRSCC Audi TT Cup Racing can surely only be seen as a success? All brand new race series' have the same worry... what if no one shows up??? Well, I can give a first hand account that this series had excellent grids for its first year of racing and is clearly set to have even bigger grids next year. We had over 20 cars at the final round at Snetterton. I'll be shocked if there aren't 25+ cars on the grid for the opening round in 2024.
Will we be joining them next season? No.
The series has clearly got a lot of people interested, and there are plenty of racers considering TTCR as an option for 2024. I've had loads of people ask me my thoughts on the series, both on social media and at the tracks. So I'll try to answer some of those questions honestly and (unlike me) succinctly, as an extra bit of info for anyone considering TTCR for next year.
Are the cars any good?
Yes. They're fun to drive, they have some interesting characteristics, you are not simply holding your foot flat all the way round the circuit you do have to drive them. The biggest limiting factor all year has been the tyre, and they are now switching from the NS2R to a Direzza next season which will clearly make a big difference to how the car feels and how quick it goes. The cars have proven fairly reliable - ours didn't fail us all season and was 100%. But there were a fair number of engine failures across the year for other teams. I am not the right person to go into any detail on that, but I would say that most people have got by fairly well by simply pulling out engines and swapping in a new donor engine when things go wrong. There don't appear to be many other weak points / regular technical failures on the car (other than many drivers constantly complaining about brake issues and braking-related issues) but I personally have found the new EBC brake upgrade kit to be excellent. The Cartek electronic isolator is clearly also a frequent source of issues and a much maligned part among the drivers! The cars have also proven themselves super competitive on other grids. A few of the guys have raced very successfully in Clubsport this year. The TT's sit quite nicely in a couple other classes and look like a great choice of all-rounder race car. Another really good reason to go for it!
Whats with the DSG / Manual mix of cars, isn't single-make racing supposed to be identical cars?
I don't understand this either, its really puzzled me. But my advice is do not run a DSG car. My car is a manual, so I'm not best placed to give advice on anything specific to do with the DSG cars. But I am privvy to all of the conversations that happen between TTCR teams / drivers... and I'm saying do not run a DSG car.
Would you recommend trying TTCR in 2024?
This depends. Its only my opinion, and I'm far from an 'experienced racer', so there are lots of people on the TTCR grid this year who's opinion I'd listen to wayyy before mine. But for those who've asked me; YES I would recommend it IF you're going to be run by a team. If you're already a 'proper team', running a car or being run in another single-make series, then yes I'd definitely recommend TTCR it has everything that the other big single-make series have and its going to get bigger next year - go for it! BUT if you're planning to build your own car, chuck it on a trailer, and rock up to the races on your own or with your Dad (like I did) then I cannot honestly say that I'd recommend it. I just think that its not the series it looked like before it started (in my view). This may be purely down to my naivety and lack of single-make racing experience - but I thought all the cars would be identical in performance and that even the less experienced / well-prepared drivers could rock up and have a good go. But my steep learning curve this season has told me that's simply not the case. The same 4, 5, 6 drivers occupied the top 4, 5, 6 positions at every race. The front half of the grid are faster drivers, for sure. But they are also quite simply in faster cars, as well. I'm not saying that there's any mischief going on, I mean that the front running cars are simply prepared to a much higher standard, have really experienced people making the decisions and running the cars, and that the multitude of marginal gains they achieve across a race weekend add up to a huge margin by the time you get on track. If you're a one-man band or a very small outfit racing purely for fun - you'll have to go into this series totally cool with being outside the top-10 at every single race. For some people that's absolutely fine; but its hard to justify spending £20-30K a season to do that, it's just not enough fun - and there isn't a class system to give you something else to aim for (unless your an older driver in which case you can battle for the silver fox award). It may be that this is the same in any single-make series, and what I'm saying sounds really obvious to people who have raced in MX5's or CityCup etc. But it was news to me this year, and is the main reason why I am not racing in TTCR next season, so I thought worth sharing in case its useful for anyone else to hear as they contemplate the series for themselves. I should caveat what I've said, by mentioning that there were other 'small' teams running on a tight budget with limited personel who DID manage to mix it near the front at times - and its perfectly possible that a sh*t hot driver may be able to simply jump into one of these cars and be competitive. Its just my personal conclusion that you'll need to be run by a proper team to have a proper go.
Why don't you just take what you've learned and apply it in TTCR next season in 2024?
Budget. I can't afford to join one of the teams and have my car run for me, and learn how to do it properly - I'd need much deeper pockets for that. To be a front runner in this series you'll need to go testing every round, and I'm not able to extend my race weekends to Thursday-Sunday, its sadly not feasible. Its also other aspects of budget too - the cars continued to get more expensive as the 2023 season went on, with a multitude of parts becoming necessary and some mandatory - this will inevitably continue with further costs such as new turbos etc likely to crop up. There's also the tyre issue; my personal view (which I kept to myself during the almost relentless tyre discussions throughout the year) was that the NS2R tyre was fine - its cheap and cheerful and it makes sense for the tyre to be the limiting factor in the cars - everyone's in the same boat - and the car remains unstressed instead of upgrading the tyre and then making the gearbox or driveshafts or something else the weak point. But the consensus was the cars needed better (and much more expensive) tyres. So the tyre budget for next season will go from circa £800 to around £3000 (just my estimate based on whats been said). In short, I don't think TTCR is the entry-level single make series it was pitched as. Its not for new racers, and its not for tiny teams. Its a new direct competitor to the Civic Cup, and in my view it serves almost exactly the same audience. I'm sad about that, because I thought it was intentionally conceived for and aimed at a distinct bracket below that, but it my experience that's just not the case. If that's what you're looking for then a much better choice would be the BRSCC ST150 Challenge or something else.
What did it cost?
£30,000. That's a lot of money for an entry level series. The car turned out to cost a good deal more to build than was advertised. And there were a few expenses that cropped up along the season. But thats what it cost me to race this season, from first getting the car all the way through to racing at the final round. Obviously costs vary hugely depending on teams and circumstances, others may have been able to do it cheaper than me? But I may as well be honest and share my own experience as a loosely useful guide to others in my position. If you are dreaming of building a TTCR car yourself and racing next season on a really carefully worked out budget of 20K forget it - its only going to get more expensive next year. God knows what they guys who bought their cars and then did arrive'n'drive spent this year... not entry level money!
I have a few other gripes about the series and the way its been run which have helped my decision not to race in it next season. But I think those are possibly personal to me specifically and not necessarily reflective of this season as a whole for the TTCR - so best kept to myself rather than shared in a public forum; others may have had much more positive experiences or views of certain things than me. I would say that the consensus in the paddock and drivers groups seems to be generally very positive.
So in conclusion, I think TTCR is a cracking addition to our beloved sport. Its going to be a support series for TCR next season which can only be a good thing for the series' popularity and exposure (if not a good thing for the costs). The cars are good, and the paddock is really good - full of friendly helpful people who are there to have fun and not to get their elbows out. The future looks bright. But that gap in the market that I thought TTCR had arrived to fill is sadly still open.
We'll be watching the races next year, and probably kicking ourselves for not being involved. It will be a great series to watch, and an excellent addition to the TCR package.
Thanks for the replies - good to see people have showed an interest in the TTCR. Its clearly a good addition to UK motorsport. Given the grid sizes in its first season, its going to become a mainstay.
In terms of the comments - "I'm just wading through the sour grapes" was my favourite, and made me chuckle. You're right there's an element of that yes... I think I even used that phrase myself in an earlier post. But my overall feedback of the season's racing is not bad, it is good. We had fun. I've just made my decision not to race in it again next year, and have shared why that is.
The costs involved are not scandalous at all. As another poster mentioned, its relative to a few of the other one-make series out there. If the car is sold, and some money recouped, then the overall costs for my season are probably around the £15,000 mark. That's not at all uncommon. But those costs were doing it on an absolute budget! No team support and no testing. My point is, that was last year. Its going to be more expensive next year. And so on. Its also the case that the teams at the front already spent more money than that this season (probably considerably more), and will continue needing to spend more and more to remain at the front. It is not the case that anyone will be spending just £10,000 to race in TTCR in 2024, thats just not feasible.
On the point about faster drivers being able to be up the front regardless of budget - I agree. The fastest drivers are at the front because they are fast, not just because they have the budget. But they also DO have the budget. And that leads to all of the incremental gains that some other drivers don't have. It creates an even bigger gap.
In the example given by @DanBSCS "I ran a driver a while back who would go to a test day, do 15 minutes in the car and if it was right, that would be it, pack up for the day. Bang on the pace, straight away. He wasn’t hugely wealthy but he was immensely talented." You've just said yourself that the driver was 'being run' and that he was also going testing. That's exactly what I am saying, isn't it?
You need to be run by a team and to go testing for every round to be competitive. Driving talent alone isn't enough in single-make racing; you need to know what you're doing. Part of what makes the fastest drivers fast is their knowledge and experience/expertise that they have built up; how to get the most out of a car, how to maximise grip from a tyre, how to get the most out of a test session, how to log and interpret data, how to hold a discussion (however simple or complex) with a race engineer to make positive changes to setup, how to chase continuous improvement across the course of a race weekend. Its all part of what makes motorsport so fun and complex. I'm not knocking that at all, I am saying I don't have the budget to be run by a team who can help me with all of those important things. Its why I won't be racing in TTCR next season.
For those racing on a budget, who are still relatively new to racing, or haven't come up through karting and other single-make formulae, who are not 'being run' by a team, and who can't go testing for each round - realistically you're not going to be in the mix. There were some very good drivers who didn't trouble the podium at all this season in the TT's ( and no, I'm obviously not counting myself among those! ). For those who are very knowledgeable about racing, nothing I've said is news. But for those of us still relatively new to being on the grid, its all a learning-curve and I learned a lot in my first year of single-make racing.
In terms of the comments - "I'm just wading through the sour grapes" was my favourite, and made me chuckle. You're right there's an element of that yes... I think I even used that phrase myself in an earlier post. But my overall feedback of the season's racing is not bad, it is good. We had fun. I've just made my decision not to race in it again next year, and have shared why that is.
The costs involved are not scandalous at all. As another poster mentioned, its relative to a few of the other one-make series out there. If the car is sold, and some money recouped, then the overall costs for my season are probably around the £15,000 mark. That's not at all uncommon. But those costs were doing it on an absolute budget! No team support and no testing. My point is, that was last year. Its going to be more expensive next year. And so on. Its also the case that the teams at the front already spent more money than that this season (probably considerably more), and will continue needing to spend more and more to remain at the front. It is not the case that anyone will be spending just £10,000 to race in TTCR in 2024, thats just not feasible.
On the point about faster drivers being able to be up the front regardless of budget - I agree. The fastest drivers are at the front because they are fast, not just because they have the budget. But they also DO have the budget. And that leads to all of the incremental gains that some other drivers don't have. It creates an even bigger gap.
In the example given by @DanBSCS "I ran a driver a while back who would go to a test day, do 15 minutes in the car and if it was right, that would be it, pack up for the day. Bang on the pace, straight away. He wasn’t hugely wealthy but he was immensely talented." You've just said yourself that the driver was 'being run' and that he was also going testing. That's exactly what I am saying, isn't it?
You need to be run by a team and to go testing for every round to be competitive. Driving talent alone isn't enough in single-make racing; you need to know what you're doing. Part of what makes the fastest drivers fast is their knowledge and experience/expertise that they have built up; how to get the most out of a car, how to maximise grip from a tyre, how to get the most out of a test session, how to log and interpret data, how to hold a discussion (however simple or complex) with a race engineer to make positive changes to setup, how to chase continuous improvement across the course of a race weekend. Its all part of what makes motorsport so fun and complex. I'm not knocking that at all, I am saying I don't have the budget to be run by a team who can help me with all of those important things. Its why I won't be racing in TTCR next season.
For those racing on a budget, who are still relatively new to racing, or haven't come up through karting and other single-make formulae, who are not 'being run' by a team, and who can't go testing for each round - realistically you're not going to be in the mix. There were some very good drivers who didn't trouble the podium at all this season in the TT's ( and no, I'm obviously not counting myself among those! ). For those who are very knowledgeable about racing, nothing I've said is news. But for those of us still relatively new to being on the grid, its all a learning-curve and I learned a lot in my first year of single-make racing.
Yep, every penny tracked. I'm not at all unhappy with the budget. Hopefully my posts about this don't come across as me complaining or saying "that's bad value", because that is not what I think. Nothing I'm saying is meant as a criticism, I am just sharing my experiences/observations as that's what I think this forum is for - and I've gained a lot from reading about others experiences.
@geeks Thanks for the feedback and offer of a chat. I'd be happy to catch up next time we're at a track at the same time. Snetterton perhaps not the best meeting to use as an example, as we had other factors going on - but your point holds true. I completely agree with you that experience and seat-time are the most important factor. I'm not disputing that - I'm asserting that by far the best way (for me specifically) to gain that experience and make the most of that seat-time, is to be run by one of the team's who already know what they are doing. And for that, I'd need to double my budget.
Thanks for taking the time to reply on this thread, interesting hearing differing points of view - that's why Pistonheads is a great resource for people like me still relatively new to racing and wanting to learn more.
One thing everyone seems agreed on, is that there are no short-cuts in racing. We certainly didn't expect to come into single-make racing for the first time and compete for race wins - that was never our expectation.
Its all a learning curve, and what we feel we've learned this year is that single-make racing is still a bit out of our comfort zone, and we need to spend some more seasons honing our craft and learning how to go fast - before coming back into a single-make series in future when we're better equipped. My view that if I wanted to race in TTCR again next season and be remotely competitive, I would need to run with a team to guide me and to help teach me all of those incremental gains, is pretty common sense and seems to tally with the feedback kindly shared on here. So I'm not quite sure why some on this thread are taking that view as in any way negative or disparaging. But perhaps I'm being dense!
Thanks again for the input - its all a learning curve and we're intending to crack on with some more racing in mixed grid series next year - to continue our journey and building our knowledge so that we can have another go at single-make racing again in the future
One thing everyone seems agreed on, is that there are no short-cuts in racing. We certainly didn't expect to come into single-make racing for the first time and compete for race wins - that was never our expectation.
Its all a learning curve, and what we feel we've learned this year is that single-make racing is still a bit out of our comfort zone, and we need to spend some more seasons honing our craft and learning how to go fast - before coming back into a single-make series in future when we're better equipped. My view that if I wanted to race in TTCR again next season and be remotely competitive, I would need to run with a team to guide me and to help teach me all of those incremental gains, is pretty common sense and seems to tally with the feedback kindly shared on here. So I'm not quite sure why some on this thread are taking that view as in any way negative or disparaging. But perhaps I'm being dense!
Thanks again for the input - its all a learning curve and we're intending to crack on with some more racing in mixed grid series next year - to continue our journey and building our knowledge so that we can have another go at single-make racing again in the future
Hey Dave. Good to see you're a fellow PH'er! Was a pleasure racing with you this year.
We talked about these things mid-season didn't we, and I know you didn't agree then on that specific point about 'small' teams being in with a shout of getting competitive results; so its good to have your view here on this thread for anyone reading it with an interest in the TTCR series - especially the really helpful info on budget.
But I stand by my view about the novice driver thing, and the two examples you've given are both drivers who I personally consider to be pretty serious racers, one of them came into this season with a sponsored drive and the other came in with previous success and wins in another single-make series over multiple seasons. But I guess I'm risking getting into the semantics of what constitutes a 'proper team' vs lad & dad drivers which is a completely different discussion and not a hill I need to die on haha. I'm also very possibly simply wrong about this point!!
I just feel that the way this year went, and with how its stacking up next year, you will struggle to trouble the top-6 next season - for the reasons we've both mentioned above. I'm sure you know I mean no disrespect by that, as you're a cracking racer and I hope I'm wrong (you know I'll be cheering you on when watching the TT's next season). But I just think the top-6 or even top-8 might be out of reach next year as everyone steps up their game, the new tyres come in, even more excellent drivers join the series, racing gets harder/bumpier, and all those hard-won marginal gains become even more important. As I say, I hope I'm wrong and I promise to buy you and your Dad a good few beers when you inevitably do finish in the top-6 next season mate. I'll eat my words and be very pleased about it! Best of luck with your pre-season prep and with next year's racing.
We talked about these things mid-season didn't we, and I know you didn't agree then on that specific point about 'small' teams being in with a shout of getting competitive results; so its good to have your view here on this thread for anyone reading it with an interest in the TTCR series - especially the really helpful info on budget.
But I stand by my view about the novice driver thing, and the two examples you've given are both drivers who I personally consider to be pretty serious racers, one of them came into this season with a sponsored drive and the other came in with previous success and wins in another single-make series over multiple seasons. But I guess I'm risking getting into the semantics of what constitutes a 'proper team' vs lad & dad drivers which is a completely different discussion and not a hill I need to die on haha. I'm also very possibly simply wrong about this point!!
I just feel that the way this year went, and with how its stacking up next year, you will struggle to trouble the top-6 next season - for the reasons we've both mentioned above. I'm sure you know I mean no disrespect by that, as you're a cracking racer and I hope I'm wrong (you know I'll be cheering you on when watching the TT's next season). But I just think the top-6 or even top-8 might be out of reach next year as everyone steps up their game, the new tyres come in, even more excellent drivers join the series, racing gets harder/bumpier, and all those hard-won marginal gains become even more important. As I say, I hope I'm wrong and I promise to buy you and your Dad a good few beers when you inevitably do finish in the top-6 next season mate. I'll eat my words and be very pleased about it! Best of luck with your pre-season prep and with next year's racing.
Cheers Luke, seems we're all on Pistonheads! 
I'm clearly showing my naivety with my reverence of what I perceive to be the 'big teams'. I'm looking up to the guys on the grid like yourself, Carl, Ross and thinking blimey, these lads are full on race squads. But as Dave and a couple of others said, you can be that fast / well-prepared and still be running the cars yourselves. I wasn't suggesting you are all turning up arrive & drive style haha - I've seen with my own eyes you are on the cars all weekend and constantly helping others out with their cars too (mine included!)
Good for me to understand you lads are human after all... although the way Carl was taking Coram at Snetterton I'm not convinced he's 100% human.
I'm clearly showing my naivety with my reverence of what I perceive to be the 'big teams'. I'm looking up to the guys on the grid like yourself, Carl, Ross and thinking blimey, these lads are full on race squads. But as Dave and a couple of others said, you can be that fast / well-prepared and still be running the cars yourselves. I wasn't suggesting you are all turning up arrive & drive style haha - I've seen with my own eyes you are on the cars all weekend and constantly helping others out with their cars too (mine included!)
Good for me to understand you lads are human after all... although the way Carl was taking Coram at Snetterton I'm not convinced he's 100% human.
Edited by SparrowHawk on Wednesday 22 November 20:22
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