How long does your AV Receiver Last

[lemmingjames]

Just wondering how long your AV Receiver lasts via natural causes (i.e. internal failure) as opposed to being sold on?

Back in 06 i purchased an Onkyo (sub £500) and it lasted for around 10 years before the HDMI out port stopped working

Purchased a Denon X2300 in Jan 2017, one HDMI out failed about a week ago then last night the other HDMI out died. So lasted (from date of purchase), 3 years 3 months.

The Incoming Signal is fine as i can hear the source (PS4) but cant see the image. Ive tried swapping hdmi cables (no joy), direct wired ps4 to screen with same cables (joy) so its all pointing to issues with the Visual card.

Anyway, just wondering what is classed as normal working life really or did i just get lucky with the Onkyo?

[lemmingjames]

Megaflow said:

never had one fail in 18 years. Granted that only amounts to 2 Denon’s. But given they are mostly electronic with little to no moving parts I wouldn’t have thought that was unusual.

I starting to think that i might have killed it by not having enough airflow around it though the space it was in was never hot either. Guess ill speak to Denon and see if i can get a replacement board or their suggestion

[lemmingjames]

A replacement board is around £270 supplied or supplied and installed £350. Ive removed the cover and its definitely not something ill be able to DIY so guess ill be getting a new one now.

Cant even plug the ps4/tv into it and use it for sound only (Ps4 could have a splitter running to a different monitor), as i undertook a reset and so needs resetting/calibrating and of course, you need to tv screen for it

[lemmingjames]

This is from a newer model than mine;


On the right, mine has another board stood up vertically and each pin is micro soldered (or what ever its called, basically a pin needle blob on the connectors), which puts it past my DIY capabilities. If it was a plug and play swap over, then id stump up for the replacement parts but its a no can do.

So just browsing ebay/ AV Forums looking for a bargain or something before biting the bullet on buying new.

Plus ill be adding air flow and stuff to my AV unit as well now

You sure its not just your remote thats broken?

[lemmingjames]

When you say hot plugging, would an example be;
PS4 turns on - send signal to avr
AVR send signal out but cables not connected to the monitor (long story)
Plug HDMI into Monitor and the amp displays the picture?

Yeah i forgot about airflow tbh and thought that there was enough around it as when i put my hand in the alcove/cubby hole it was never warm.

[lemmingjames]

Zirconia said:

Tricky then. Never did like soldered daughter boards.

My volume is something I just live with and never really faulted. I was going to split open the remote and check the contact but the power of Meh! set in.

Yep, spoke to Denon's part department, the board is 220+ vat then another 90 to fit. Total came to £350.

Man Maths say sell this one for spares/repairs and look on ebay/av forums for a decent 2nd hand one (bit of a gamble on ebay) before taking a cheeky low bid offer on a refurbished one or buy another for around £450.

Was looking around and notice some avr's are £12k+ - wonder what sort of system theyve got it plugged into

[lemmingjames]

VEX said:

There are now a number of speaker manufacturers that offer little angled ones to sit on top of floor standers for atmos dutys. They point upwards and use the ceiling to reflect sound back down fo the atmos effect. KEF and Monitor Audio are two that spring to mind straightaway.

V.

Thats interesting and thanks for the tip, was tempted to turn mine into a 7.1 system (taking up floor so would be an idle time to add more cables) but will look at that solution.

Sounds like i need to install a HDMI port in the wall as opposed to cables across the floor to stop it from damaging it in the future

Edited by lemmingjames on Friday 1st May 17:18

[lemmingjames]

HorneyMX5 said:

Get on Richer Sounds, I bet they have some good deals on at the moment.

i have but their prices are all the same as the others. I spoke to one of the branches as well and they havent got stock of the Denon @ £440 but due in some soon.

Just watching a Denon 2400 at the mo for £200, 1 year newer than mine so might have a cheeky low last minute bid on it. Or Peter Tyson have some refurbed units in that i might make a low offer on (ie £100 less than asking https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Part-Exchange-Denon-AVR..., they can only tell me to do one!)

[lemmingjames]

Peter Tyson offer 0% finance deals so man maths is starting to think again (it hurts seeing the amount come out in one lump due to your own personal fk-up, as opposed to £60 a month),

2nd hand last years models or current with 6 year warranty inc with 0% finance

[lemmingjames]

Zirconia said:

What do you need and would you be future proofing? I must admit they have been on the back burner for me but certainly I would be seeing what my old one did vs what I can future proof in. When I bought mine it was really just for 5.1, didn't look at the way it was all going which was a drop off for me.

I think my old 2300 future proofed me for my needs as much as i required/thought tbh, just need it for ps4/streaming/tv audio so i dont really need anything overly fancy.

I imagine until 8k comes out, most avr's are future proofed for a simpleton like me really

[lemmingjames]

someones just purchased my broken x2300 for £100, had another buyer lined up so either ive let it go far to cheaply or theres an easy fix to the board?

[lemmingjames]

stevoknevo said:

There's a three months old Denon X3600H just gone up on AVF in the last hour for £600 delivered, £95 cheaper than Richer Sounds (were it came from originally, not sure how the warranty works with them though?)
Or an older Yamaha for £60 if you're near Bucks!

Thanks for the heads up, apparently the Denon nor the RS warranty is transferable.

Its weird, id buy a car without warranty yet comes to something like this, im hesitant

[lemmingjames]

stevoknevo said:

I read the thread later and saw that, but if you have the original receipt it shouldn't be an issue in store I'd imagine? She dropped the price to £550 almost immediately and has agreed a collected sale this morning for £480, bargain!

Yeah, i noticed it in another thread that someone was selling an Amp.

Think someone offered her £450 yesterday as she didnt have papers proving sale. Finds them and sells it for £480 and yes that is a massive bargain.

[lemmingjames]

I ended up purchasing a Onkyo 696 in the end after speaking to Richer Sounds, couldnt decide on if i wanted the Denon @ £700 but they suggested for my needs (movies/gaming) the 696 was a better choice.

From my non-audiophile ears, the 696 is a massive improvement over my now deceased Denon. Though think it still needs tweaking sound setting wise and ill look to purchase the up-firing speakers in the future.

Regarding top mounted fan cooling, how many are required? Ive currently got 2 linked to the ps4 but would like to split it so one comes on when the ps4 is on and the other when the laptop is needed. Or do i need to add some more 2-to-1 usb convertors in? Or wont 1 be enough?

[lemmingjames]

Mr E said:

My cheap Denon is dying after 4 years
Let’s see if the RS supercare was worth the10%...

TBF i think i just overheated mine as it didnt have any airflow and nowhere for ethe heat to go.

it could have been a dodgy board i guess, as my old Onkyo of 10 years had the hdmi out die and both the Denons hdmi died, one after the other.

[lemmingjames]

Which one did/do you have?