Plasma wall brackets
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Can anybody on here suggest a wall bracket for a Panasonic TH42PV500. It's going to be mounted on the chimney breast (Which I'm guessing is a good place as that wall should be one of the strongest)
I've seen this mount, but not sure of the quality of the brand, and want to keep costs as low as possible.
How useful are the tilting type? And do they push the screen a lot further from the wall?
I've seen this mount, but not sure of the quality of the brand, and want to keep costs as low as possible.
How useful are the tilting type? And do they push the screen a lot further from the wall?
Plotloss said:
If you're going over a fireplace though, consider the height, often its too high.
that's what I'm trying to knock together in Photoshop now, how it will look. Seems too low, but for a natural viewing height it should be that low. It's going to be about 6 inches higher than the stand (Panasonic's own) it's currently on.Trying to work out if it looks odd or not by slightly covering up the fireplace
mchoody said:
Hi, we use these guys quite a lot, decent quality for the price and never let me down. (ps, I don't work for them!!)
http://www.theplasmacentre.com
Prices look good there, thanks for that.http://www.theplasmacentre.com
Plotloss
Would you mind offering any thoughts as to what to do in this situation with the fireplace?
I'm thinking of building a false part to the front of the chimney breast, which will allow me to hide the cables and will make the screen look like it's a little closer to the wall.
I'm just not sure what to do with the fireplace at the moment as to get the screen at the right height it needs to overlap the fireplace by some margin, and it looks a little odd.
The right hand side of the chimney is going to be used for the kit rack, and the tank to the left has gone.
Currently:
Rough mock up showing screen 1100mm to centre and slightly reduced fireplace:
Would you mind offering any thoughts as to what to do in this situation with the fireplace?
I'm thinking of building a false part to the front of the chimney breast, which will allow me to hide the cables and will make the screen look like it's a little closer to the wall.
I'm just not sure what to do with the fireplace at the moment as to get the screen at the right height it needs to overlap the fireplace by some margin, and it looks a little odd.
The right hand side of the chimney is going to be used for the kit rack, and the tank to the left has gone.
Currently:
Rough mock up showing screen 1100mm to centre and slightly reduced fireplace:
Plotloss said:
Also when measuring, consider the loss that the plaster finish will put back on the hole. You wouldnt believe the amount of people who forget and then the television wont fit. I'm not saying you will but dont, just for clarity.
So you mean make the hole larger and then some additional for the plaster? That's good advice! 
What would you do in my case with the fireplace though? Would you leave it so the screen looks like it's over lapping or build the false breast so it makes the opening to the fireplace smaller and puts a few inches of wall between the bottom of the screen and top of the fireplace?
Plotloss said:
Flush it out floor to ceiling, otherwise whenever you look at it, it will probably annoy you.
Remove it totally? Could lead to issues with the centre speaker as it's quite deep. It's a B&W CC6 and not really made for wall mounting.I guess I could make the hole the right sort of size for the speaker...
E31Shrew said:
E31Shrew said:
Zod said:
Plotloss said:
Zod said:
Having put up a Panasonic last year, I'll just warn that the one I bought has a stupid arrangement for the HDMI sockets with their facing straight back rather than down and being insufficiently recessed, so that with a flush to wall bracket I had to add some washers to allow the cables to fit (it's a real pisser when the TV crushes the plug of an in-wall HDMI cable). It also has an layout with the two vertical bars of the bracket being much closer together than on any other TV I have seen.
Good TV though, despite all that.
Right angle HDMI M>F adaptor?Good TV though, despite all that.
When you say a swivel arm, you mean one that means it can come away from the wall for access to the back?
And yes, it does have a large backside... I'm tempted to try and find the official panasonic mount so i know it will fit.
Plotloss said:
Also when measuring, consider the loss that the plaster finish will put back on the hole. You wouldnt believe the amount of people who forget and then the television wont fit. I'm not saying you will but dont, just for clarity.
Silly question time, once the frame has been built. Would you then put plaster board or MDF up? And would you skim what goes up or just paint straight onto it?Sorry if that sounds daft but I didn't even think about that, I'm not Mr DIY, but have a good friend who is a chippy and will be able to help
E31Shrew said:
theboyfold said:
Plotloss said:
Also when measuring, consider the loss that the plaster finish will put back on the hole. You wouldnt believe the amount of people who forget and then the television wont fit. I'm not saying you will but dont, just for clarity.
Silly question time, once the frame has been built. Would you then put plaster board or MDF up? And would you skim what goes up or just paint straight onto it?Sorry if that sounds daft but I didn't even think about that, I'm not Mr DIY, but have a good friend who is a chippy and will be able to help
E31Shrew said:
Depends on the final result I wouldve thought. We've never tried to skim MDF! The finish we get is pretty well perfect and it just takes a bit of filler to tidy up. If you make sure the front is one piece and the sides butt up to that I wouldve though you'll be fine. Also a lot less messy than skimming!
True, I should have known you can't really skim MDF. I've got a good idea of the construction now, once I've drawn it up I'll stick it up here.
Been busy in Visio today, trying to line stuff up. Does anybody see anything wrong with this sort of layout?
The one thing I'm not sure about is how high up the false wall should go. I'm tempted to stop it short of the ceiling as at the moment we have about a metre of blank wall above the screen. If it's stopped short we could add in some rope lights around the top to add a little visual interest.
Plotloss, do you know a good place online where I can get some good value cable and wall plates? Ideally will need one with a pair of banana plugs for the centre speaker, and another with HDMI, 5x phono and VGA. I can do away with the phono and VGA, but it would be a shame to have to.
Plans are moving on, and have had the idea that the false wall doesn't actually end at the ceiling, but a little bit short. Which creates a trough and I could drop some rope lights or uplighters in there to add some interest. I'm just not sure how it will look if it goes all the way to the ceiling, as there will be a lot of blank space above the TV.
JustinP1 said:
Ikea!
Well the speaker stand and coffee table is - nice drawing.
Being picky about speaker placement, you would get much better result with the rear speakers behind you head. The idea is that you are not supposed to hear where they are in the room.
If you can, you will get a much better 'surround' result if you can get two more speakers and make it a 7.1. I'd have one near the bottom of the stair and against the wall where the coffee table is by the right of the sofa.
That way you get a much better sense of envelopment in the sound, and the sound coming from the room itself rather than having just the effect of the odd sound coming from a foot behind your ears.
50%!Well the speaker stand and coffee table is - nice drawing.
Being picky about speaker placement, you would get much better result with the rear speakers behind you head. The idea is that you are not supposed to hear where they are in the room.
If you can, you will get a much better 'surround' result if you can get two more speakers and make it a 7.1. I'd have one near the bottom of the stair and against the wall where the coffee table is by the right of the sofa.
That way you get a much better sense of envelopment in the sound, and the sound coming from the room itself rather than having just the effect of the odd sound coming from a foot behind your ears.
The coffee table is, the speaker stands aren't but they are the closest that I could find. The rear speakers can be moved, and are just shown there for 'illustration purposes'
the front ones will be stuck in place. So would you suggest they were toed in towards the centre of that couch? The one thing that drawing doesn't show is that that couch is up against a wall, so it can't go any further back.As for 7.1, I'm going to get this all sort and then gently move up from 5.1!
Plotloss said:
I personally wouldnt go to 7.2 the room and the layout doesnt justify it. If the sofas etc are to scale.
It's about to scale, but Google Sketch-Up is a dog to use if you know how to use 3ds Max, I lost my rag with it which is why it looks a little crude.To be honest, I've never heard a 7.x demo and I'm not sure quite how much it adds, but the main idea behind this is to make the room larger and get more seating space, and make the 5.1 work properly, as at the moment everything is off with the TV being in the corner.
tuffer said:
theboyfold said:
Plans are moving on, and have had the idea that the false wall doesn't actually end at the ceiling, but a little bit short. Which creates a trough and I could drop some rope lights or uplighters in there to add some interest. I'm just not sure how it will look if it goes all the way to the ceiling, as there will be a lot of blank space above the TV.
Edited by theboyfold on Monday 26th January 13:09
JustinP1 said:
theboyfold said:
Plotloss said:
I personally wouldnt go to 7.2 the room and the layout doesnt justify it. If the sofas etc are to scale.
It's about to scale, but Google Sketch-Up is a dog to use if you know how to use 3ds Max, I lost my rag with it which is why it looks a little crude.To be honest, I've never heard a 7.x demo and I'm not sure quite how much it adds, but the main idea behind this is to make the room larger and get more seating space, and make the 5.1 work properly, as at the moment everything is off with the TV being in the corner.
From my own personal testing I found that 7.1 was a big improvement even on material which was only 5.1
I found that 5.1 meant that basically the sound was coming from the speaker, and it was noticable. That quickly gets boring when the novelty value that you have speakers there wears off.
That problem is worsened if you have limited space to move the rear speakers to the optimum position. As Plotloss has said, in 5.1 facing them forward is not the best, if you are literally against the back wall, point them in towards eachother, but if you have a bit more space, a 30 degree angle to the wall gives the 'best' performance.
Ideally, you are looking for a seamless matrix of speakers so the sound comes from where it 'should' as shown in the film and not sounding like it is coming from where you put your speakers.
I would even say if space is limited, there is more than an argument for 7.1 than not. With a larger rooms you have more space to get distance from the rears to you, and you can play with the exact angles and make it so the rear 'soundstage' works.
If you don't have that space, having the Left Surround and Left Back and Right Surround and Right Back means that the rear effects hopefully don't sound like they are coming directly from the speakers, as the sound is matrixed and shared between them.
My rear speakers are only literally a couple of feet or so from the main sofa, and going to 7.1 made a big difference.
tuffer said:
The glass on top of the shelves was a good idea as it makes it far easier to keep clean.
Also, how deep is the recess? The chippy who is helping me out with this is asking if I want to make the wall deeper so the screen sits flush.
The bracket is a pain at the moment as my screen juts out at the bottom. I've got my eye on a genuine Panasonic one on ebay at the moment, and might plump for that, so I'm assuming that the HDMI will fit in, if not I can get a right angle adaptor for about 99p, so I might push the boat out.
My chippy is a mate and also into his AV and is very keen to use MDF and not plasterboard. The one thing we need to find out is what type of filler to use, although we're looking at a design which shouldn't use too many joins that are visible. 170mm is about what I need for mine to be flush as well, which is what the chippy is trying to talk me into at the moment, I'm not sure how big it will look though.
As far as the cables go, I'm going to wire most of the TV up, and have it come out at a wallplate around the right hand side of the chimney. I only need to run an HDMI up to the screen as the amp deals with all the other inputs, and that's going to be on the shelf of the bookcase in my mock up. Otherwise I'll just leave a couple of dropwires in and brush grills if I need to run anything else up.
My chippy is a mate and also into his AV and is very keen to use MDF and not plasterboard. The one thing we need to find out is what type of filler to use, although we're looking at a design which shouldn't use too many joins that are visible. 170mm is about what I need for mine to be flush as well, which is what the chippy is trying to talk me into at the moment, I'm not sure how big it will look though.
As far as the cables go, I'm going to wire most of the TV up, and have it come out at a wallplate around the right hand side of the chimney. I only need to run an HDMI up to the screen as the amp deals with all the other inputs, and that's going to be on the shelf of the bookcase in my mock up. Otherwise I'll just leave a couple of dropwires in and brush grills if I need to run anything else up.
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