The Game Changers Documentary

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Anyone seen this?

I would say I have reduced my meat consumption by 75% over the last year or so but now seriously contemplating a 100% plant-based diet now. But since all documentaries are pushing an agenda of one kind or another - are there any real negatives? I know veganism is on the rise and believed to be 10% of the UK population now.

So PH meat-eaters, do your best to debunk! Why should I not do this?

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defblade said:

Bacon.

Made a bacon sandwich for the wife a few weeks back when she was hungover. Wasn't even the slightest bit tempted to throw a few slices into the pan for myself.

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Davie_GLA said:

Avocado Cartels. The struggle is real.

Don't like avocados.

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V8covin said:

I haven't seen the documentary and nothing will stop me eating steak,bacon and sausages

So why not watch it?

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Steamer said:

10%?! Wow.. I thought it was way higher than that.

Maybe its just because they seem so keen on telling everyone.. again and again...

Seriously though, a friend mentioned he (and his family) were considering the change after watching this documentary. That is up to him, but I don't think it should be forced on the kids.

At least as it becomes more mainstream, fewer people will need to 'identify' in such away.

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CzechItOut said:

I think the biggest downside is making sure you eat enough protein, B12, iron etc.

A common concern quite comprehensively debunked by the documentary, particularly regarding B12.

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mikiec said:

because you will end up like moby

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I hope that was vegan tattoo ink (yes, that is a thing!).

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mikiec said:

Seriously I wouldn't rely on anything presented as science in game changers. lots of critiques on the web about the flaws/ inaccuracies in GC. Veganism is suboptimal nutrition and makes little sense to do from a health perspective, morally it has it's rationale but I would argue it's pretty flawed as well.

Care to expand? The moral aspect is not a major one for me, but the health benefits (or rather the detrimental effect of meat) seem fairly clear cut?

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mikiec said:

Veganism is a very restrictive diet and by avoiding meat, dairy etc you are foregoing some very nutrient dense foods with greater bioavailability of vitamins and minerals. Realize GC is basically vegan propaganda, if you are looking at doing it do some serious research are you are potentially going to be eating a very compromised diet.

Chris Kresser is going to be on the Joe Rogan podcast in the next day or two discussing much of this and would definitely be worth a listen/watch for an alternative view and he is ex vegan.

I’d say you can eat a near optimal vegetarian diet, I don’t believe it possible with vegan.

So why are so many 'winners' vegan these days? if it didn't produce measurable results in competition then surely they wouldn't do it since winning is all that matters to these people?

What is your background? Genuinely interested if this is your day-job or just something you have read up about. As I said in my OP I understand the inherent bias in these types of documentary, hence the thread.

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Just curious, have you seen it Durbster? The B12 thing is a common argument against and well debunked in the show.

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grumbledoak said:

Really? I’m pretty sure B12 deficiency is real
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamin-b12-or-folat...

I'm sure the deficiency is real, but what I was referring to was the fact that we need meat for B12. Especially since farm animals are given a B12 supplement.

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GTO-3R said:

We're still eating fish for the benefits of what that gives too.

Fish seemed to have slipped under the radar (sonar?) of this documentary. Not sure why.

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El stovey said:

I’ve moved to a more plant based diet over the years and feeling better for it. Results show in my training and medical examinations. I’m not a full on vegan or even veggie.

I think the trouble is people are a bit polarised about this stuff.

That's just it isn't it. People see veganism/vegetarianism as a binary state. You either are or aren't, which I don't think is necessarily true. It's only 'identity politics' which makes it that way.

I think the best way is to just try it for a few weeks/months/whatever. You know your own body, health and fitness levels better than anyone. If it works, great, if it doesn't then there are no rules saying you can't go back to a greasy fry-up every morning if that's what you feel works for you.

My compromise is this - From now on I will only eat meat which I have personally killed. So the odd bit of venison or wood pigeon, and that is it. No more farmed or mass-produced stuff.

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grumbledoak said:

I think people need to realise that there is a huge well-funded push for vegetarianism at the moment.

Yes, a lot of the more vocal environmentalists and vegans at work seem to think the movements are immune to capitalism. There are a lot of people getting very rich from other peoples environmental guilt.

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Well, I managed six days meat-free, and then today the chef put out sushi for lunch. Vegan fail for me.

I know six days is nothing but I have to say I felt no different in terms of health/fitness/energy levels. A lot more flatulent though, and I didn't win any Olympic medals.