White Flight and failing Integration
Discussion
Quiet day here at work...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
I know the town in the article is not huge, but 1.1% are white.
looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
desolate said:
The price of property tends to be a key driver in mobility.
People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
But now you (the royal you - not specifically you) can afford to live in a white area you move there as quick as possible ?People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
RedTrident said:
And can I just add that a Somalian Muslim has very little in common with a Kashmiri Muslim who has less in common with a Pakistani Muslim who is then despised by a Bangladeshi Muslim and all of these are looked down upon by an Indian Muslim. The Arab Muslims don't care, they're all busy shopping in Harrods 
The only people who I have ever come across that thinks there is a common cultural trait across Muslims are those in search of a Caliphate and those who have very little actual experience of the diversity in these communities.
They all believe in;The only people who I have ever come across that thinks there is a common cultural trait across Muslims are those in search of a Caliphate and those who have very little actual experience of the diversity in these communities.
same god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
desolate said:
Yes I believe he was.
Do they all believe in the same god - Allah Do the women all wear the same religious clothing - yes if they choose to wear it.
Do they all believe in the Koran and Hadiths - yes. Some may act upon its teaching differently.
Have we seen some Men from each of those countries/communities find dealing with young white girls, who have freedoms/rights and the ability to dress and behave like they have never seen, either in their community or country - You might have me here I have not come across mention of Indian Muslims being involved in grooming gangs.
desolate said:
del mar said:
desolate said:
Yes I believe he was.
Do they all believe in the same god - Allah Do the women all wear the same religious clothing - yes if they choose to wear it.
Do they all believe in the Koran and Hadiths - yes. Some may act upon its teaching differently.
Have we seen some Men from each of those countries/communities find dealing with young white girls, who have freedoms/rights and the ability to dress and behave like they have never seen, either in their community or country - You might have me here I have not come across mention of Indian Muslims being involved in grooming gangs.
Although I am not sure how it could be interpreted any other way ?
Abuse and swearing seemed a little over the top mind.
Alpinestars said:
RedTrident said:
desolate said:
del mar said:
They all believe in;
same god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
Load of bsame god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
ks.Ignorant f
knut.I have lots of petty little obsessions, give me time and I will try to name them...
Alpinestars said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Alpinestars said:
an obsession with immigrants and Muslims.
Or, concerned due to the massive effects on the social cohesion of society by the enclaves and oppressive nature of said changes ?But do not let a good cry of "Racist" get in your way.
oyster said:
I couldn't even imagine the lives that some of the posters on this thread live. del mar as the OP stands out, but there are others too.
How can you live your daily life with such hatred of other human beings? How can that life be, in any way, happy and fulfilled?
My life is happier for knowing I don't get upset at sharing my space with people who don't conform to a narrow view of what it's like to be 'british' (deliberately used lower case).
I walked through Peckham town centre the other day - it was invigorating and refreshing. The sights, the smell, the noises, the chaos. Stopped to taste some foreign food - spicy as hell - hurt my tongue, but damn it was fun. People looked busy, looked happy, looked to be living their lives as busy as they can make them.
As a contrast I was in Guildford at the weekend. The streets looked like hospital corridors, sanitised and homogenous. No noise, no smells. People trudged rather than whizzed. There was no sense of adventure, it was like they were unhappy with life, yet they live in one of the richest parts of one of the richest countries in the world.
Monoculturism is not what we need, multiculturism is just fine.
I can barely get out of bed most mornings I am that filled with rage !How can you live your daily life with such hatred of other human beings? How can that life be, in any way, happy and fulfilled?
My life is happier for knowing I don't get upset at sharing my space with people who don't conform to a narrow view of what it's like to be 'british' (deliberately used lower case).
I walked through Peckham town centre the other day - it was invigorating and refreshing. The sights, the smell, the noises, the chaos. Stopped to taste some foreign food - spicy as hell - hurt my tongue, but damn it was fun. People looked busy, looked happy, looked to be living their lives as busy as they can make them.
As a contrast I was in Guildford at the weekend. The streets looked like hospital corridors, sanitised and homogenous. No noise, no smells. People trudged rather than whizzed. There was no sense of adventure, it was like they were unhappy with life, yet they live in one of the richest parts of one of the richest countries in the world.
Monoculturism is not what we need, multiculturism is just fine.
Alpinestars said:
It was irrelevant to the example Countdown gave. Integration, by definition, requires both sides to integrate, ie, the indigenous population to allow others in, and vice versa. Any estate where people of a different background are not allowed in, creates segregation.
I am on the verge of agreeing with you here !It is indeed a two way street, both sides have to want to work together.
But that only works if the indigenous population wants the immigrants in the first place. If I was asked do I want large scale immigration and I said yes, then it is up to me to make it work. If on the other hand I don't want this, then I wont play my part and am more likely to move.
If there was vote in Germany asking the population if they wanted 1 million mainly male muslims from war zones to come to Germany and the people said yes, that is fine.
There wasn't a vote lots of people didn't want them, but they are then forced onto them in smaller towns and cities, it is unfair to expect these people to go out of their way to assist in the integration. Suddenly there is no chance of the two way street idea working.
Earthdweller.
What policies could the government put in place to make you and your family (I assume you have a partner and children) move back to the area where you grew up, where the woman are a "sea of black" ?
It is a genuine question.
Giving you millions is not a viable policy.
The other side of the coin is that we encourage these people to move into the white suburbs where we have all moved to, all this would do is end up with the suburbs looking the same, so that wont work.
What policies could the government put in place to make you and your family (I assume you have a partner and children) move back to the area where you grew up, where the woman are a "sea of black" ?
It is a genuine question.
Giving you millions is not a viable policy.
The other side of the coin is that we encourage these people to move into the white suburbs where we have all moved to, all this would do is end up with the suburbs looking the same, so that wont work.
desolate said:
These figures are a bit out of date but at this time of night it's the best i can do
More specifically, the proportion of people who live in low-income households is:
20% for White people.
30% for Indians and Black Caribbeans.
50% for Black Africans.
60% for Pakistanis.
70% for Bangladeshis.
Relatively speaking many more "Asian" people are poor compared to white people. Poverty drives certain types of criminality.
As you appear to have a great car I will give credit to your late night numbers.More specifically, the proportion of people who live in low-income households is:
20% for White people.
30% for Indians and Black Caribbeans.
50% for Black Africans.
60% for Pakistanis.
70% for Bangladeshis.
Relatively speaking many more "Asian" people are poor compared to white people. Poverty drives certain types of criminality.
This would suggest as most studies do that BAME / non eu migrants tend to be non contributors to the fiscal system, not living in "technical poverty" does not mean you are a contributor.
Working on the basis that Pakistani Bangladeshi and 25% of the Black African number, which make up our muslim population, the above suggests they are a huge drain on our system. Whereas other religions tend not to be. The Indian population appears not to be as great a drain.
Luckily they bring all manner of social and cultural benefits, so that balances out the financial drain....
Even some of the useless white people we have on sink hole housing estates don't appear to be as big a drain. Yet people are trying to compare the two
I have said I felt there are no benefits to the UK of Non Eu migration, which may be unfair, some are of great value, unfortunately I struggle to see any benefits from the Muslim countries.
Cries of Islamaphobe will surely follow, but giving any credit to the above numbers, they are a huge financial drain.
desolate said:
del mar said:
As you appear to have a great car I will give credit to your late night numbers.
Unfortunately that car is long gone, as is its replacement. del mar said:
This would suggest as most studies do that BAME / non eu migrants tend to be non contributors to the fiscal system, not living in "technical poverty" does not mean you are a contributor.
Working on the basis that Pakistani Bangladeshi and 25% of the Black African number, which make up our muslim population, the above suggests they are a huge drain on our system. Whereas other religions tend not to be. The Indian population appears not to be as great a drain.
Luckily they bring all manner of social and cultural benefits, so that balances out the financial drain....
Even some of the useless white people we have on sink hole housing estates don't appear to be as big a drain. Yet people are trying to compare the two
I have said I felt there are no benefits to the UK of Non Eu migration, which may be unfair, some are of great value, unfortunately I struggle to see any benefits from the Muslim countries.
Cries of Islamaphobe will surely follow, but giving any credit to the above numbers, they are a huge financial drain.
I'd have to do some research to argue with you.Working on the basis that Pakistani Bangladeshi and 25% of the Black African number, which make up our muslim population, the above suggests they are a huge drain on our system. Whereas other religions tend not to be. The Indian population appears not to be as great a drain.
Luckily they bring all manner of social and cultural benefits, so that balances out the financial drain....
Even some of the useless white people we have on sink hole housing estates don't appear to be as big a drain. Yet people are trying to compare the two
I have said I felt there are no benefits to the UK of Non Eu migration, which may be unfair, some are of great value, unfortunately I struggle to see any benefits from the Muslim countries.
Cries of Islamaphobe will surely follow, but giving any credit to the above numbers, they are a huge financial drain.
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