FGM Parties

[del mar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38290888

How do I get an invite .....

Does BLM campaign against this ?

[del mar]

TonyToniTone said:

Absolutely disgusting and it certainly needs highlighting, even so one has to questions Del Mars motives.

Nothing posted in the Football abuse or Forest Hill train stabbing, if either of these were Muslim those threads would be on 50 pages.

Whoa...

At least let me say something before you have a go at me.

I posted it to point out the stupidity of people that we allow to migrate to our country. If we are going to open ourselves up to migration from certain countries then we should be fully aware of the problems and cultural differences that they may bring. If we are fully aware and happy that we can cope with them then so be it. In reality we don't / daren't ask these questions, so why are we shocked that this goes on.

Football abuse - all abuse is atrocious, my issue was always that there are certain aspects of it we can't talk about. We can openly say and discuss abuse by football coaches and if the Independent Report into Abuse ever actually gets going, sports clubs coaches will be one of the topics that is mentioned, along with police, MP's, Westminster catholic, etc. There are certain words that they report doesn't mention.

Have just looked up the train incident.
Interesting one, puts the shoe on the other foot for a change. Probably a lone wolf with mental health issues.

[del mar]

rscott said:

SKP555 said:

rscott said:

The NHS, WHO, Human Rights Watch,etc all claim it's less down to religion and more social custom.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-geni...
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutila...
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en...
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-...

As they would...

So they're all lying to cover up for those nasty Mooslimbs?

Even I would almost agree with Rscott here, it does tend to be a cultural African issue rather than anything else. Although yes the book does recommend it and is more prevalent in Muslim countries than they would have you believe.

That said;

Wikipedia lists the top 5 countries as;
Somalia 98%
Guinea 97%
Djibouti 93%
Egypt 91%
Sierra Leone 90%

There is also a high concentration in Indonesia - although it doesn't define "high".

Whilst I accept it tends to be cultural, the top 5 are all Muslim countries and it tends to be prevalent in Muslim communities in other countries ???

If people in other countries want to cut bits off their own daughters it is not for us to intervene - we aren't good at getting involved in other countries, and it doesn't both me.

It is an issue when it happens here and we then incur costs and time dealing with an imported problem, do not import problems !!

Social Services are only running at 60% capacity so we are ok..

[del mar]

rscott said:

The point missed by some on this thread is that the figures given earlier aren't for FGM carried out in the UK, but for FGM detected here. So could have occurred anywhere and anytime during the woman's life.
I'm simply saying that as a partial explanation as to why prosecutions aren't common (if at all) and in no way condoning or supporting the horrible practice.

Agreed, although the idea of parties to carry mass cutting seems new.

[del mar]

anonymous said:

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Surely it should be illegal to cut bits of your own children because of your own beliefs ?

I am not a fan of seeing babies with pierced ears - this should also be banned, but at least other than the hole and looking like a Chav nothing is missing.

[del mar]

MrNoisy said:

These young girls are being failed by the useless social care system in the UK.

That is a bit harsh, social care is stretched to the nth degree, dealing with the problems we already have in the country.

Importing other problems that we have little experience of into the country is utter madness.

[del mar]

KTF said:

Africa has other 'questionable' rituals as well:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36892963

"The BBC's Ed Butler, who covered the story about Malawi's sexual "cleansing practices", says in some remote southern regions of the country it is traditional for girls to be made to have sex with a man after their first menstruation.

Some of the girls are as young as 12 years old, he reported."

The guy doing this cleansing being HIV+ but not telling anyone...

Whoa... you cant criticise Eric the Hyena he was only do his job, one that the girls parents paid for.

[del mar]

it is good for women.

https://islamqa.info/en/45528

[del mar]

rscott said:

del mar said:

it is good for women.

https://islamqa.info/en/45528

It's equally easy to find posts from Islamic scholars which state the opposite.

Of course.

It is harder to find a Christian who tries to argue a case for it.

[del mar]

KTF said:

del mar said:

it is good for women.

https://islamqa.info/en/45528

Oh come on. Do you really believe that the below are a good thing?

"Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:

The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.

Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.

Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.

Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.

Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire."

Nobody wants a rancid woman !!!

Game of Thrones;
John Snow goes down on the wilding lady with ginger hair - I dread to think when she last washed !

[del mar]

BlackLabel said:

"Social services called in after 85 cases of FGM newly discovered in Tower Hamlets"

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/health/...

Only 85....

Making it illegal is a bit like banning mobile phone use in a car, a law that we cant enforce, but it looks as if we are doing something about the problem.

We could stop importing problems in the first place ?

[del mar]

rscott said:

They have posted to clarify that they will prosecute if in the child's best interests. Seems like the biggest problem they have is being able to obtain evidence as to who is actually carrying out the deed.

There's a long article on their site about it - https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/ne...

That is the biggest issue with it - "if in the child's best interest".

You have two loving parents who have never done anything wrong, have no criminal record and want to do the best for their children.

Sending them to jail, breaking up the family unit, does that do the child any favours ?

If as a Nation we are happy with immigration from these countries / groups we have to take the good and the bad from them.

[del mar]

jjlynn27 said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

rscott said:

Did you read the West Midlands Police article? They've taken out orders preventing some girls from being taken overseas for cutting - unless their actually cut or they get proof it was going to happen, I doubt social services have the authority to remove them.

it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.

I would suggest having a child undergo FGM is evidence enough to prosecute the parent, what are they going to say my cousin took my child abroad and hacked them to pieces and I had no idea?

All the evidence they need is the child with bits missing.

The problem, as I see it, is how to remove children from unfit parents before the act. Or even how do you find out after the act? Compulsory check from certain destinations?

I wish I had a solution how to deal with vermin.

Are they unfit, or just culturally different from us are they bad parents ?

As for the children - is life in foster and care homes really better for them ?

Edited by del mar on Monday 27th February 17:14

[del mar]

The idea of "checking" is a great one, but when you look at the logistics of that who do you check ?

There will be a cost, both time and money, so to mitigate the cost you limit the number of people you check.

It does not appear to be an issue in white girls so they are not checked - it instantly becomes a racists process.

Nor does it seem to be an issue in girls from the Far East so they are not checked - Indonesia perhaps.

Saying Asians wont work as it doesn't appear to be a Sikh or Hindu issue - which leaves Asian Muslims.

Blacks from the Caribbean wont be supportive as it doesn't appear to be an issue for them.

Which leaves Black Africans, even then Africa is split so we would focus on those in the MENA region - ie Mainly Muslim Countries.


So Muslims girls will be checked at school every June and September, which will go down like a cup of cold sick.

So I propose we continue doing what we have for the last 30 years....

[del mar]

jjlynn27 said:

del mar said:

Are they unfit, or just culturally different from us are they bad parents ?

As for the children - is life in foster and care homes really better for them ?

Edited by del mar on Monday 27th February 17:14

Not sure if serious. Any parent that facilitates non-medical intervention on their kids is unfit to be a parent. Yes, they would most definitely be better off without them.

This needs to be viewed in context though.

The mother has been cut, her mother, her grandmother, her sisters etc, the parents do not do this do inflict pain on the child, for the sake of inflicting pain. They will view this as a right of passage into being a woman, something to be proud of, it is their tradition as Somali women.

Imagine removing two young girls from a loving family home, because their parents want them to go through a cultural tradition and dumping them in a children's home in another town to live with strangers in a serious of foster homes.

BAME children are far harder to be rehomed than white children.

I agree with you that any parent who wilfully harms their own child for the pure purpose of hurting them is unfit to be a parent, but there is no malice here. In a truly perverse way the parents probably think they are doing it out of love.

[del mar]

rscott said:

It's a mainly African issue - http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/fema... and occurs pretty much equally amongst Christians and Muslims in those countries.

Eritrea & Ethiopia are majority Christian countries yet have the same or higher rates of FGM as neighbouring mainly Muslim states.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/20... sets a very clear case for it being an African, rather than religious, issue.

I am not sure Mother Jones is that convinced - where did you even find that website ?

There is a very clear case for it being an African, rather than religious, issue only in Africa, they fail to account for its prevalence in Non African Countries;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_female...

Where it occurs in other countries it is always in the Muslim Community. I doubt many women in the;

Malay Muslim community in Singapore
Ismaili Shia Muslim community in India

Have ever been to let alone lived in Africa.

You have Muslims Religious leaders issuing Fatwas for and against FGM, yet people still see it as a purely African issue ?

[del mar]

I call it fake news.

FGM is purely an African thing remember ......

She doesn't live in Africa
She doesn't look African
She doesn't cut Africans

cant be a real story

[del mar]

Pinched from the Diane Abott thread

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/diane-abott-...

Even the great woman herself is calling for checks...

I cant wait to see who she puts on the list for being checked.

[del mar]

Apologies- I should have realised that the Diane thread was not necessarily full of upto date stories, just photos of her !!

[del mar]

Apologies- I should have realised that the Diane thread was not necessarily full of upto date stories, just photos of her !!