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V8 Fettler said:
I would prefer top five please.
Then you can use this study from commonwealthfund.org from 2014, and suddenly everything is perfect. 
The complexities of comparing healthcare systems is such that to an extent all you are doing is comparing the study methodology, input vs output, weightings etc
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
fblm said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I think this one neatly sums up Conservatives attitude to the NHS.
Boring. Save it for facebook eh?Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
You, on the face of it, are backing up my suggestion that on many PH political threads many just become shouty, abusive and downright rude instead of discussing the subject in hand.
Says the guy who just called someone else a tw@t. Why don't you re-read the thread and look at your own contribution before flouncing off. I couldn't really care less about the NHS to bother discussing it in any detail; I've used it once in 40 years and they sent me home with an undiagnosed broken jaw. If a trust wants to sell off land to invest how they see fit so what? Why do they need land to provide medical services? Should they also make their own drugs and medical equipment or is it ok to buy those in from the evil private sector?Having gone through the process of seeing my MIL succumb to vascular dementia, be hospitalised and admitted to a care home, my considered opinion of the organisational state of the NHS is that it's broken; it's embarrassingly poor and inefficient.
The most recent episode follows the completion and submission of a 31 page form in an attempt to get an £80 a week or so attendance allowance to help eek out her rapidly disappearing savings.
Today, almost two months after submitting the fully completed form we received a reply.
It begins: "we are pleased to tell you that you are entitled to attendance allowance". It goes on to explain why she is so entitled then ends with the amount she is entitled to.
"Nothing, because you are in hospital".
She was discharged from hospital, by the NHS, for assessment, which resulted in her residential care, at the end of January. It's all in the 31 page form.
On calling the 'helpline' we have been told that it isn't yet on record that she has been discharged (!) so that's why they think she is still in hospital. Our statement isn't good enough. We now have to send in the letter we got from the NHS when she was finally discharged to care, to the NHS to prove what we say.
You really wouldn't make it up.
The most recent episode follows the completion and submission of a 31 page form in an attempt to get an £80 a week or so attendance allowance to help eek out her rapidly disappearing savings.
Today, almost two months after submitting the fully completed form we received a reply.
It begins: "we are pleased to tell you that you are entitled to attendance allowance". It goes on to explain why she is so entitled then ends with the amount she is entitled to.
"Nothing, because you are in hospital".
She was discharged from hospital, by the NHS, for assessment, which resulted in her residential care, at the end of January. It's all in the 31 page form.
On calling the 'helpline' we have been told that it isn't yet on record that she has been discharged (!) so that's why they think she is still in hospital. Our statement isn't good enough. We now have to send in the letter we got from the NHS when she was finally discharged to care, to the NHS to prove what we say.
You really wouldn't make it up.
gooner1 said:
jjlynn27 said:
gooner1 said:
jjlynn27 said:
gooner1 said:
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nikaiyo2 said:
Hmmm is this the same Bob Kerslake who was employed by the Labour Party?
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Btw, fashioned anything useful from your notorious length of timber yet?
I didn't know that my 'length of timber' is notorious!
gooner1 said:
A crutch
for your lame humour perhaps.
The fantastically delicious irony. for your lame humour perhaps.
Not sure if laughing at one's own comments makes them any more funny, but don't
let me put you off. You carry on Rolfing at yourself. I may even join in.
The NHS Federation publishes some interesting statistics. amongst them are are two that show that net expenditure has grown by 50% over the past decade, whilst in and outpatients, including A and E have grown by about 25%.
I guess some treatments are more expensive than they used to be but there should have been significant gains in efficiency too.
So why the struggle?
I guess some treatments are more expensive than they used to be but there should have been significant gains in efficiency too.
So why the struggle?
968 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
968 said:
180-200 billion what? What does that figure refer to and where is the citation? Does that refer to health tourism? If so, that's utter b
ks.
Million, with an M.ks.The figure is from https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-mu...
which sources it back to https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... which goes into considerable detail on how it's been calculated.
968 said:
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nut...
To add, the number of beds in general and acute medicine has decreased since 2010 from 121756 to 102369.
Spending has undergone the largest ever sustained reduction in spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
Why should NHS spending be related to GDP? To add, the number of beds in general and acute medicine has decreased since 2010 from 121756 to 102369.
Spending has undergone the largest ever sustained reduction in spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
Spending has increased.
BlackLabel said:
Marr: How will you pay for the £20bn NHS cash boost?
May: "We will be contributing more as a country."
Tax rises on the way then.
Let’s trust they’re levied only on the people who’ve caused the increased demand. May: "We will be contributing more as a country."
Tax rises on the way then.
Yes, I know that’s a forlorn hope but I’ll be doing everything possible to avoid any tax increases.
anonymous said:
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Of course they don’t, and wouldn’t. Neither would the individuals concerned. Health tourists aren’t as naive as some in this forum seem to be.
And as for checking entitlement there are plenty of other areas that proof of entitlement is needed, doesn’t seem to be an issue much outside the NHS.
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