Biggest privately built submarine sinks...
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https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/08/amateur-...
I'm watching this with morbid interest!
A Danish company called Copenhagen Suborbitals (which is crowd funded and open source) are developing sea-launched, suborbital rockets. They've been going quite a while too. For some reason, they have a submarine rather than a tug boat. The sub was finished in 2008 and was designed by an aerospace engineer called Peter Marsden. Its called the UV3 Nautilus and is the third and largest sub this outfit have built. It cost $200k (which I thought sounds quite cheap!).
They have used the sub successfully for years, completed over 1000 dives. Then it needed some "servicing" and they launched a crowd funding bid to raise the cash to carry out the maintenance. They didn't quite make the goal and the sub eventually ended up in Peter's hands and he was going to complete the work himself.
Apparently, this then drew the attention of a Swedish Journalist and she met up with Peter and his sub so she could write a bit for Wired. They've then apparently left Refshaleøen, near Copenhagen harbour around 7PM in the sub, on a test run and then failed to return. At 3:30 AM the sub was reported missing and then spotted in Koge bay by the harbour master 7 hours later. Peter had contacted the harbour master saying they had experienced technical issues and were heading back to the harbour.
It never made it. It sank to the bottom the bay. There was a problem with the ballasting system which caused the sub to submerge whilst he was up top with the hatches open. It was gone in less than 30 seconds. Being up top he survived and was picked up by a following boat.
But what about her?
He claims he'd dropped her off around 10:30PM near where they departed, but no one has seen or heard from her since.
The sub is only in 7 m of water so I presume it won't take long to discover some horrible truth...
ETA: reported missing at 3:30AM , then spotted in the bay 7 hours later by the harbour master. Sank at 11 AM. Also he says they left initially at 7PM and had dropped her off at 10:30PM the same evening.
I'm watching this with morbid interest!
A Danish company called Copenhagen Suborbitals (which is crowd funded and open source) are developing sea-launched, suborbital rockets. They've been going quite a while too. For some reason, they have a submarine rather than a tug boat. The sub was finished in 2008 and was designed by an aerospace engineer called Peter Marsden. Its called the UV3 Nautilus and is the third and largest sub this outfit have built. It cost $200k (which I thought sounds quite cheap!).
They have used the sub successfully for years, completed over 1000 dives. Then it needed some "servicing" and they launched a crowd funding bid to raise the cash to carry out the maintenance. They didn't quite make the goal and the sub eventually ended up in Peter's hands and he was going to complete the work himself.
Apparently, this then drew the attention of a Swedish Journalist and she met up with Peter and his sub so she could write a bit for Wired. They've then apparently left Refshaleøen, near Copenhagen harbour around 7PM in the sub, on a test run and then failed to return. At 3:30 AM the sub was reported missing and then spotted in Koge bay by the harbour master 7 hours later. Peter had contacted the harbour master saying they had experienced technical issues and were heading back to the harbour.
It never made it. It sank to the bottom the bay. There was a problem with the ballasting system which caused the sub to submerge whilst he was up top with the hatches open. It was gone in less than 30 seconds. Being up top he survived and was picked up by a following boat.
But what about her?
He claims he'd dropped her off around 10:30PM near where they departed, but no one has seen or heard from her since.
The sub is only in 7 m of water so I presume it won't take long to discover some horrible truth...
ETA: reported missing at 3:30AM , then spotted in the bay 7 hours later by the harbour master. Sank at 11 AM. Also he says they left initially at 7PM and had dropped her off at 10:30PM the same evening.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:02
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:07
drdino said:
The story sounds very fishy (sorry!). Gizmodo had a good article on it as well, apparently Wired wasn't aware of any journalists working on such a story.
Yes forgot to mention that bit. Says she was writing for Wired, but neither US nor UK arms of that outlet have any knowledge. I don't know how stories work with them though. Whether you just write something and submit it and if they like it, they post it?
I wonder if, he'd originally returned to the harbour after the test run with the journo, but either he failed to radio in or no one noticed its return. Then he's gone back out in it later and got into trouble. In the meantime the authorities think he's not been back and so report it missing. Could happen, small, black submarine at night. Just wasn't spotted/he didn't radio in.
Otherwise he's been out in it for over 12 hours, doing what?
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 12th August 14:09
Wiccan of Darkness said:
drdino said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Otherwise he's been out in it for over 12 hours, doing what?
Showing her his submarine would be a good guess...
Reading in the comments. The sub isn't part of the sub-orbital rocket thing, it was a separate venture. Quote, I think from Gizmodo:
Gizmodo said:
The Nautilus was another project for the group and was a bigger success. In 2014, Madsen left the group to focus on other projects, one of which being the UC3 Nautilus.
The UC3 Nautilus submarine association was formed in order to separate ownership of the sub from Copenhagen Suborbitals. But within a year, Madsen was feuding with the board of that organization over who the proper owner of Nautilus really was.
The UC3 Nautilus submarine association was formed in order to separate ownership of the sub from Copenhagen Suborbitals. But within a year, Madsen was feuding with the board of that organization over who the proper owner of Nautilus really was.
Well the Danes aren't hanging about
Navy and a cargo vessel M/V Vina are on site. The cargo ship has large cranes that can lift 75T.
They're here on Marine Traffic:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...
So I guess it won't be too long before its hauled aboard and back to port.
Navy and a cargo vessel M/V Vina are on site. The cargo ship has large cranes that can lift 75T.
They're here on Marine Traffic:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...
So I guess it won't be too long before its hauled aboard and back to port.
Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
The Spruce goose said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Looks like the M/V Vina is on its way back to port. Peter Madsen is apparently being held in custody accused of involuntary manslaughter.
I am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
the new york times reported thisI am guessing he's given the game away during the closed-doors hearing he had earlier today.
If so, there has probably been a tragic accident and he's panicked and come up with some silly plan to hide it; Scuttle the boat...not that doing it in 7m of water was going to lock the secrets away for long. I hope they do find the body, at least then its over.
''..was arrested and jailed on charges of involuntary manslaughter, according to the local news media, even though the journalist, Kim Wall, 30, remains missing.
On Saturday, Mr. Madsen, 46, appeared before a judge, but the prosecution did not say how, where or why Ms. Wall was killed. The defendant denied any wrongdoing.''
Hayek said:
Is the sub now trashed? Shame for all the other volunteers who built it.
depends what it hit when it landed on the bottom I guess? It wasn't on the bottom for very long so I would have thought once its washed out and dried it might be ok providing there isn't any hull damage?I wonder if she's had an accident all on her own and he panicked, thinking he'd get the finger no matter what he said, so dumped her and then scuttled the boat.
I can't think that is a logical solution if something like this happened; he made a control input that caused the sub to change orientation quickly and she toppled, caught her head on something solid/sharp. I mean the best solution there is to get back ashore and just get help! The forensics will work it out.
If he's tried something and has then lashed out in a rage which led to her death then I can see being more needful of dumping and scuttling to cover tracks.
Either way. It is bizarre.
I can't think that is a logical solution if something like this happened; he made a control input that caused the sub to change orientation quickly and she toppled, caught her head on something solid/sharp. I mean the best solution there is to get back ashore and just get help! The forensics will work it out.
If he's tried something and has then lashed out in a rage which led to her death then I can see being more needful of dumping and scuttling to cover tracks.
Either way. It is bizarre.
NDA said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
I wonder if she's had an accident all on her own and he panicked, thinking he'd get the finger no matter what he said, so dumped her and then scuttled the boat.
I can't think that is a logical solution if something like this happened; he made a control input that caused the sub to change orientation quickly and she toppled, caught her head on something solid/sharp. I mean the best solution there is to get back ashore and just get help! The forensics will work it out.
Nope.I can't think that is a logical solution if something like this happened; he made a control input that caused the sub to change orientation quickly and she toppled, caught her head on something solid/sharp. I mean the best solution there is to get back ashore and just get help! The forensics will work it out.
If, God forbid, some accidentally died in my presence, I'd talk to the Police immediately. It's what normal people do. Trying to cover up is an admission of guilt.
Is it possible that her extremities have been eaten by whatever lives in the sea? Not sure it would be that quick?
Imagine if this is someone completely unrelated!
https://www.thelocal.dk/20170821/body-found-at-sho...
Imagine if this is someone completely unrelated!
https://www.thelocal.dk/20170821/body-found-at-sho...
Well, I guess we just wait now for the forensics to sort it out.... I guess they'll be doing a DNA match with something from her home or from her parents maybe? They have little else to go on... no face, no teeth. I can't imagine that is a pretty job. I couldn't do it.
That video... Wow!
Perhaps, once the extremities were damaged enough, the torso could have then floated free back to the top. Depends what he did with her, bound or weighed down. Who knows. They're not likely to find the cause of death unless he tells them, surely?
That video... Wow!
Perhaps, once the extremities were damaged enough, the torso could have then floated free back to the top. Depends what he did with her, bound or weighed down. Who knows. They're not likely to find the cause of death unless he tells them, surely?
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Tuesday 22 August 10:53
Mike_Mac said:
S11Steve said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Is it possible that her extremities have been eaten by whatever lives in the sea? Not sure it would be that quick?
Yes, Amphipods, bristle-worms and other micro-crustaceans like small crabs and shrimps could strip a body over night. They are known as "clean-up crew" in home reef tanks for a reason! I had a weak fish in mine recently which was struggling at the bottom of my tank. I'd planned to scoop it out later in the day when I'd got a quarantine tank set up, but when I went back 2 hours later it was just a bit of a head left.Not for the squeamish, but 48hrs for them to strip a pig carcass isn't unusual -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7-1nCutsg4
Knowing how quick sea things can devour dead things, I'm surprised any bodies are found after going missing at sea.
Personally, I'm in the 'he-dunnit' camp, in terms of trying to remove evidence/conceal the identity of the corpse by removing limbs...
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