Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
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I thought the official line was only an idiot would have believed that to be true.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-bori...
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-bori...
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
But this is thread about Boris making stuff up as he goes along.Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Article from The Independent.
Why are we so surprised Boris lies when he's been sacked for it twice before.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surpris...
Why are we so surprised Boris lies when he's been sacked for it twice before.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surpris...
JulianPH said:
Fair enough, we have always seemed to agree, I'll rephrase it:
Having seen and heard the stance of the EU sine the vote, would you still vote remain if you had the choice again now?
Well, it was obvious before the referendum that the EU wouldn't make it easy for us to leave. Why would they?Having seen and heard the stance of the EU sine the vote, would you still vote remain if you had the choice again now?
Even Farage had the good grace to disown this pack of lies.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referend...
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referend...
williamp said:
sorry everyone, I am confused.
Is the problem that we pay shed loads of cash to the EU without much coning back; the problem that the amount quoted isnt exactly £350m per week, and that if a more accurate figure was used it'd be OK; or the EU really will have an EU army,and all the bad things which dont seem like a good idea, but somehow its all our fault for leaving and if we stayed it wont happen??
The problem is saying we will have £350m a week to give to the NHS is just a big fat lie.Is the problem that we pay shed loads of cash to the EU without much coning back; the problem that the amount quoted isnt exactly £350m per week, and that if a more accurate figure was used it'd be OK; or the EU really will have an EU army,and all the bad things which dont seem like a good idea, but somehow its all our fault for leaving and if we stayed it wont happen??
As Nigel Farage himself admitted,
Funkycoldribena said:
First post of yours I've agreed with, well said.
Whether anyone likes it or not,it was a democratic vote and should be upheld or it puts democracy in jeopardy.
Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes.Whether anyone likes it or not,it was a democratic vote and should be upheld or it puts democracy in jeopardy.
We have left because roughly 30% of the country voted Leave and 30% voted Remain.
If you believe in the democratic process, why have the second Referendum?
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes.
That's a massive lie in several ways, but of course you know that.You know how you vociferous remainers are feeling now? Well that's how many of us have felt for decades, being part of something we didn't want, disliked intensely, and weren't ever asked about. So consider it fairness, you've had it your way, now it's time for 30 or 40 years with the boot on the other foot.
Enjoy.
Disco Infiltrator said:
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes.
That's a massive lie in several ways, but of course you know that.You know how you vociferous remainers are feeling now? Well that's how many of us have felt for decades, being part of something we didn't want, disliked intensely, and weren't ever asked about. So consider it fairness, you've had it your way, now it's time for 30 or 40 years with the boot on the other foot.
Enjoy.
Here you are, Dimwit. Learn something.
t? TooMany2cvs said:
Greg66 said:
Yipper said:
Turkey is on track to join the EU.
What track would that be? The one that vanishes over the horizon and ends up near to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
Subtext:
THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING!
Turkey's application to join is indeed in... and has been since 1987. They were an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 until it was closed in 2011 (with the advent of the Common Security Defence Policy taking over the responsibilities of the WEU), and full EU membership negotiations started in 2005.
There are 35 chapters that have to be met for accession to go any further. To date, how many are met? Umm... Three... It was four in 2015, but then there was a bit of a purge after a coup, y'see. And Erdogan decided he didn't really want to join anyway...
Even when they're all met, EVERY SINGLE member state of the EU gets a veto. Now, anybody want to place odds on Greece and Cyprus not having something to say? Or the Visegrad four, given their anti-Islamic stance over the "migrant trail"?
There was even a film by the man on the BBC in 2006 making this point.
www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/boris-johnson-turkey?...
"I believe our generation has a historic chance to build a bridge between the Islamic and the Christian Worlds"
You really couldn't make it up.
Edited by Disco Infiltrator on Monday 18th September 18:34
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes.
That's a massive lie in several ways, but of course you know that.You know how you vociferous remainers are feeling now? Well that's how many of us have felt for decades, being part of something we didn't want, disliked intensely, and weren't ever asked about. So consider it fairness, you've had it your way, now it's time for 30 or 40 years with the boot on the other foot.
Enjoy.
Here you are, Dimwit. Learn something.
We didn't join "because people votes yes". We were already in, the vote was to stay or not.
It wasn't a vote on membership of "the eu", but "the common market".
Any more lies, dimwit?
voted Yes last time around?
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
CrutyRammers said:
Disco Infiltrator said:
Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes.
That's a massive lie in several ways, but of course you know that.You know how you vociferous remainers are feeling now? Well that's how many of us have felt for decades, being part of something we didn't want, disliked intensely, and weren't ever asked about. So consider it fairness, you've had it your way, now it's time for 30 or 40 years with the boot on the other foot.
Enjoy.
Here you are, Dimwit. Learn something.
We didn't join "because people votes yes". We were already in, the vote was to stay or not.
It wasn't a vote on membership of "the eu", but "the common market".
Any more lies, dimwit?
voted Yes last time around?
AnotherClarkey said:
CrutyRammers said:
You're not doing very well here are you? Before calling someone a "cretin", you might want to check that you can spell it. And if you can't, learn how to edit a post. Jesus.
You said "Yet we joined in the first place because nearly 70% of people voted Yes."
That is a lie. We did not JOIN THE EU because of a referendum vote. We were taken into the COMMON MARKET and then asked if we wished to remain in it. It's all there in your wiki link, try, y'know, reading it.
I shall leave him to it as I feel rather intimidated by his intellect.
TooMany2cvs said:
CrutyRammers said:
That is a lie. We did not JOIN THE EU because of a referendum vote. We were taken into the COMMON MARKET and then asked if we wished to remain in it. It's all there in your wiki link, try, y'know, reading it.
Oh, right. Your beef is not about the 70% figure, simply about a minor wrinkle of timing nearly half a century ago.BTW - as a member, the UK was key in turning the EC (the "common market" was only ever a nickname) into the EU.
CrutyRammers said:
Maybe, if you all look on the previous page, it will all become clear. Hint...it's not "ctetin". He'll probably delete the post now, if he can work out how.
Would you still call me a liar for a very minor factual inaccuracy regarding something that happened when I was four years old?Delete what post?
Your first post on this subject appeared to denying the "nearly 70%", rather than anything else.
Edited by Disco Infiltrator on Tuesday 19th September 10:52
CrutyRammers said:
Maybe, if you all look on the previous page, it will all become clear. Hint...it's not "ctetin". He'll probably delete the post now, if he can work out how.
Would you still call me a liar for a very minor factual inaccuracy regarding something that happened when I was four years old?Delete what post?
Your first post on this subject appeared to denying the "nearly 70%", rather than anything else.
Edited by Disco Infiltrator on Tuesday 19th September 13:46
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