And...It's Spain.. will it kick off ?
Discussion
TooMany2cvs said:
discusdave said:
Rajoy is free to oppose Catalan independence, but through persuasion alone, not violence. The use of force to halt a vote is oppression.
I really don't know how I feel about this situation.Transpose it to the UK, and imagine the Scottish Parliament or Welsh Assembly saying "We're going to have a referendum on independence", the UK government saying "Umm, no." - and them going ahead and doing it anyway.
You just know what'll happen, whatever the result.
The vote says "no", there's accusations of suppression and influencing the free and fair vote, etc.
The vote says "yes", and the government ignore it...
It should never have got this far. It's a failure on both sides, but the Catalans are definitely pushing as hard as they can - too hard? - and something may well give sooner or later.
let them vote..what will be will be.
Edited by discusdave on Thursday 21st September 21:54
Derek Smith said:
Nor did I. Who suggested that?
Look on the bright side; up until 1975 there would have been many deaths during the incident and many more afterwards, so a step forward.
You are seeing one side of the day. The videos have been put up by the demonstrators. We see a picture of a man covered in blood without any idea of who he is, what he's done or who injured him. It is not so long ago that a picture of an injured police officer, stripped to the waist in order to tend his wounds, was on the front page of a couple of newspapers in this country as an example of police brutality.
We have no real idea of what's gone or going on. Nor will we every have. Look up Lewisham Riots 1977 in Wiki. 56 police officers injured. My serial of 55 or so lost 23 and some of the those who came back to the nick suffered injuries. Yet we were outnumbered 20:1 by Met serials and they were in the thick of all the problems, and good job too. One demonstrator with a megaphone was hit in the face, or would have been had not the megaphone taken the initial force, by a large lump of concrete/stone thrown from the back of the crowd. He had massive facial injuries. He was shown in the papers as an example of police brutality. One editor had this pointed out to him. Guess whether the image was in the next edition.
We are fed tidbits. We have no idea of what's going on, just videos published by one side. Oddly enough, one video has been published by the demonstrators that shows the riot police acting with a great deal of professionalism against an overwhelming force of demonstrators. Look at it and put yourself in the position of one of the police being pushed, shoved and assaulted.
I have never been so frightened as when I was in one demonstration, outnumbered and being attacked. You have no idea what it is like. You might wish that the police officers acted with cool, calm detachment in such circumstances, but that impossible. It's like wishing it didn't rain on weekends. It is beyond possibilities. Police officers get frightened. Police officers react to continual attacks. It happens. It's not right but there is no way to stop a human being human.
In any case, we'll never know what really happened.
really.. and beating firefighters ...Look on the bright side; up until 1975 there would have been many deaths during the incident and many more afterwards, so a step forward.
You are seeing one side of the day. The videos have been put up by the demonstrators. We see a picture of a man covered in blood without any idea of who he is, what he's done or who injured him. It is not so long ago that a picture of an injured police officer, stripped to the waist in order to tend his wounds, was on the front page of a couple of newspapers in this country as an example of police brutality.
We have no real idea of what's gone or going on. Nor will we every have. Look up Lewisham Riots 1977 in Wiki. 56 police officers injured. My serial of 55 or so lost 23 and some of the those who came back to the nick suffered injuries. Yet we were outnumbered 20:1 by Met serials and they were in the thick of all the problems, and good job too. One demonstrator with a megaphone was hit in the face, or would have been had not the megaphone taken the initial force, by a large lump of concrete/stone thrown from the back of the crowd. He had massive facial injuries. He was shown in the papers as an example of police brutality. One editor had this pointed out to him. Guess whether the image was in the next edition.
We are fed tidbits. We have no idea of what's going on, just videos published by one side. Oddly enough, one video has been published by the demonstrators that shows the riot police acting with a great deal of professionalism against an overwhelming force of demonstrators. Look at it and put yourself in the position of one of the police being pushed, shoved and assaulted.
I have never been so frightened as when I was in one demonstration, outnumbered and being attacked. You have no idea what it is like. You might wish that the police officers acted with cool, calm detachment in such circumstances, but that impossible. It's like wishing it didn't rain on weekends. It is beyond possibilities. Police officers get frightened. Police officers react to continual attacks. It happens. It's not right but there is no way to stop a human being human.
In any case, we'll never know what really happened.
psi310398 said:
Derek Smith said:
In any case, we'll never know what really happened.
Perhaps you might enlighten us as to your professional view of the circumstances in which you'd ever find this acceptable:https://mobile.twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/91...
I can't see the police here under any threat.
It is a "Frustrated" argument - because by declaring independance Catalonia does not need to follow Spanish Law...or am i wrong ...?
did the colonies in north America follow the rule of law when they said to the UK sod off ?..Any hostile action should be considered an act of war.?
interesting times ahead..
did the colonies in north America follow the rule of law when they said to the UK sod off ?..Any hostile action should be considered an act of war.?
interesting times ahead..
Edited by discusdave on Friday 27th October 21:24
Edited by discusdave on Friday 27th October 21:26
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