Is Man Utd's Lukaku chant racist?

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Not in football section as it goes to the definition of racism, the sport angle is merely incidental..

Fans are in hot water due to one of their new chants.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41317495

It goes like this:

Romelu Lukaku,
He's our Belgium scoring genius,
He's got a 24 inch penis,
Scoring all the goals,
Bellend to his toes.


I understand that the fans have said they will stop singing it if Lukaku asks them to stop.

What say PH, is it racist?

Edited by Ayahuasca on Wednesday 20th September 20:05

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ikarl said:

It's not a positive stereotype though.

It is racist because it is a myth used in the past to stop white women sleeping with black men. Oh, don't have sexual relations with a black man because his penis is so big it will tear you apart.

Er, I am not sure you know much about women.

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Cold said:

Manchester United bid to identify fans who chanted Lukaku song

Article said:

Manchester United have asked for CCTV footage to help identify fans who ignored pleas not to chant a controversial song about Romelu Lukaku in the club’s 1-0 win at Southampton on Saturday.

United and Lukaku both requested supporters to refrain from repeating the chant after it was described last week as “racist” by anti-discrimination body Kick It Out.

I still cannot work out how saying someone has a large penis is racist.

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The Spruce goose said:

Ayahuasca said:

I still cannot work out how saying someone has a large penis is racist.

The Office blackman bread bin joke sums it up, the conversation afterwards between Brent and his Boss.

JENNY 'You're using the ethic stereotype that all black men have large penises, because you think it makes it funnier.''

BRENT ''its not a insult its a compliment if anything''

JENNY ''so what you saying is black people should be flattened that there only achievement in this world is having over sized genitalia.''

In that exchange the only person who says 'their' 'only achievement' is a big dick is Jenny.

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Is this racist?

It is a clever reverse reference to the myth.

Is it racist that a black man uses it?

Or if the producer of the ad was white, would he/she have been racist to make it?

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

drainbrain said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Just because he isn't offended, doesn't mean no one is. If I launch a verbal racist attack on someone , he might laugh it off and not be remotely fussed. Others that hear it may be, and if they reported it, I would still be guilty of the offence.

In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.

Is launching a verbal racist attack on someone the same thing as chanting a rhyme of admiration at someone at the forefront of your tribe in praise of their achievements and including a penis reference that the male stereotype is supposed to find positive and complimentary?

I was addressing the assertion that if the victim/recipient isn't offended, then that's automatically the end of the story. Legally, it clearly isn't.

That is correct.

is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.

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drainbrain said:

Ayahuasca said:

That is correct.

is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.

The Easily Offended can get offended by anything at anytime. Swearing. Farting. Bad breath. Man U beating your team at home. You name it, they're offended by it. So it's highly likely someone in the crowd was offended by the chant, yes. Especially when the big swinging dick scored the winner!

Were they justified in being offended by the chant? Of course not. Why would they be? Because of the mere mention of the word 'penis'? Or 'bellend'? They probably think so. And the fact that the chant's subject is black just gives them a doorway of ugly opportunity to get racism involved in the mix.

The thing with being offended is that it needs no justification. People are either offended or they are not, and what offends you (not you, you) may not offend someone else.

The question is, do people have a right not to be offended?