Essex EDL Rally today....

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Was abandoned as less than 6 EDL protestors turned up!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eng...

Nice to see my home county giving these idiots the support they deserve..

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Breadvan72 said:

rscott said:

Was abandoned as less than 6 EDL protestors turned up!...

FEWER, FFS!

Being a Grammar Nazi matters a lot when dissing a (small) bunch of Nazis.

Sorry sir. Will try not to repeat that mistake again.

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Boydie88 said:

Breadvan72 said:

You have asserted that Muslims are unduly represented in criminality of all kinds. "All manner of criminal activity". It is for you to prove that. You did not say some. You said all kinds, unless "all manner" is supposed to mean something else. . Shoplifting? Securities fraud? Murder? Drink driving? Fly tipping? Coke dealing? Burglary? Need I continue?

Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 25th September 20:37

Way to spin it in your apologist way. The fact is Islam is considerably over represented in prisons. Why does it matter what crime they are committing?

By others saying they doubt they are involved in alcohol related crime... then that just suggests they're even more over represented elsewhere.

They probably aren't over represented in "all kinds", but the simple fact is they are over represented in prison. Stop ignoring the point.

In Dec 2016, 4% of the population (aged 15+), yet 15.2% of the prison population. A number that has very nearly double (up from 7.7%) in 15 years. But yep, let's just ignore it and hope it stops.

Another way of looking at it.... Prison population has increased by 13,090 since 2002, 7,323 of that increase is from Muslims.

UK Prison Population Statistics PDF
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

Edited by Boydie88 on Tuesday 26th September 09:25

Presumably you have the same concerns about Buddhists then? They make up 0.5% of the population and 1.8% of the prison population.

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Boydie88 said:

rscott said:

Presumably you have the same concerns about Buddhists then? They make up 0.5% of the population and 1.8% of the prison population.

I did notice that, just found the below article suggesting many choose to convert upon conviction.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5977093/B...

IT suggests Buddhism is used to try and change an offenders ways, where as we know Muslim extremism is rife in prison.

TooMany2cvs said:

BTW, Catholics are similarly over-represented amongst the UK prison population. Does that make them inherently bad people, too?

Where have I inferred they are inherently bad? They are inherently good, no doubt about it, but when a religion makes up under 5% of a population yet is responsible for over 50% of the increase in prisoners, questions should be asked.

Looking at other tables that show little change in nationalities behind bars, I'd hypothesise it's the 2nd, 3rd, 4th gen etc that are responsible. Where is our system letting those new generations down? Why are they much more likely to be imprisoned? This needs addressing, it's not racist or 'islamophobic' to want to change the lives of those destined for a life that has you considerably more likely to end up in jail.

Just like this one suggests prisoners convert to Islam in jail for perks too:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

You'd need to compare statistics for religion on admission to be able to make a meaningful judgement.

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del mar said:

Breadvan72 said:

You have asserted that Muslims are unduly represented in criminality of all kinds. "All manner of criminal activity". It is for you to prove that. You did not say some. You said all kinds, unless "all manner" is supposed to mean something else. . Shoplifting? Securities fraud? Murder? Drink driving? Fly tipping? Coke dealing? Burglary? Need I continue?

Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 25th September 20:37

Oohh, use of words..

There are all manner of people on Pistonheads.

There are some people on Pistonheads

All people are on Pistonheads

I have used "all manner of" to describe a variety of different crimes, not all crimes. I would be very surprised if they were over represented in all types of crime in the UK.

However..

I listed four crimes that prove/suit my point, if we work on the basis that there are say 100 crimes which can result in imprisonment (there maybe more or less but 100 is a nice round number).

Muslims are over represented in 4 out of the 100 possible UK crimes - 4% of all types of crime, not 4% of all crimes.

If they are not over represented in the other 96 crimes, and in some cases maybe even under represented, this would suggest that the volume and frequency of these 4 crimes must be staggering to result in the prison population being almost 4 times their UK population, in percentage terms.

Now maybe it is or they could be over represented in a selection of the 100 listed crimes.



They are the only BAME ethnic group significantly over represented in the Prison Population, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are there or thereabouts in regard to percentage of population vs percentage of prison population, so it cant be Racism in the System.

Er, 1.8% of prison population is Buddhist, compared to 0.5% of the adult population.