Hijab and shampoo advert

[del mar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/42746002/hij...

How can we tell that the product works if you can't see her hair ?

Is it really that easy to sell beauty products to women ? Could we sell them snake oil ?

[del mar]

Long gone are the days when I needed shampoo, but surely the point of advertising is to show the product or its performance ?

That said I could start to sell del mar's penis enlargement products if I don't need to show the results !

Edited by del mar on Friday 19th January 20:26

[del mar]

I had always assumed one of the criteria for being a hair model was having hair ?

Perhaps young women today are that stupid you can market products without ever showing the results / supposed results / the dream they are trying to sell.

If anybody wants to be the model for my penis enlargement products please send me a photo. Being a man is not a requirement .

[del mar]

Randy Winkman said:

What does a car advert tell you about how well a car drives?

Little, but you can at least see the car, and you can then decide whether you believe their marketing hype.

This lady can advertise all manner of beauty products, make up, face cream etc I just don't see how she can advertise a hair product when you can't see her hair, there is no before or after picture.

Of course the shampoo won't give you hair like Cheryl, but we are shown the shine, the gloss the dream, that sells products.

Imagine all the money beauty companies could save, instead of spending money on attractive models they could use people in paper bags !

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

Randy Winkman said:

I've no idea who Mia Khalifa is.

Del Boy has had a cock extension since seeing her whilst surfing for creamy shampoo.

I have studied her work .....

If Linda is right and this is what a good muslim lady is like, I have got this all wrong. Any woman that can remain "modestly dressed" whilst taking two large men at the same time is ok by me.

Unless Linda is just making a fool of herself yet again.

I have no interest in her religion or the wider scope of women and their role in society. I would say the same if a man in a turban was advertising head and shoulders, I thought it was a ridiculous advert brought about by God only knows what.

Offended seems to be the new buzz word thrown at anybody who has a different opinion. I am not offended by it, I thought it was nonsense but it doesn't offend me.

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

But you thought it worthy of a thread on a motoring forum....

In the non motoring section - it seemed an appropriate place to me.

Are you suggesting that non motoring threads are banned ?

[del mar]

Countdown said:

del mar said:

I have studied her work .....

If Linda is right and this is what a good muslim lady is like, I have got this all wrong. Any woman that can remain "modestly dressed" whilst taking two large men at the same time is ok by me.

Unless Linda is just making a fool of herself yet again.

I have no interest in her religion or the wider scope of women and their role in society. I would say the same if a man in a turban was advertising head and shoulders, I thought it was a ridiculous advert brought about by God only knows what.

Offended seems to be the new buzz word thrown at anybody who has a different opinion. I am not offended by it, I thought it was nonsense but it doesn't offend me.

Re: the bit in bold - Be honest...that’s bks isn’t it? You constantly post threads and comments about Muslims hoping the usual suspects will join you in a group circle jerk. Unfortunately for you, in this case you haven’t managed to gain traction. I’d suggest that you’ve fallen into the trap that L’Oreal’s marketing department set...

Ps what’s your definition of a good Muslim woman?

In this instance, I am going to say no, but you would be correct in other instances.


Good Muslims woman - one that closely follows her religious texts / teachings.

[del mar]

Most sanitary adverts now show blue water and how the unit either fits or is absorbent.

The advertising rules on showing genitalia probably stop the actual tampon being inserted shown.

Ask the ladies in your house things they would expect to see in a shampoo advert ?

If any dare say hair that would suggest they are;

Racist / islamaphobic

[del mar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd3AthopQwY

Hijab and shoulders.....

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

del mar said:

Most sanitary adverts now show blue water and how the unit either fits or is absorbent.

The advertising rules on showing genitalia probably stop the actual tampon being inserted shown.

Ask the ladies in your house things they would expect to see in a shampoo advert ?

If any dare say hair that would suggest they are;

Racist / islamaphobic

Yet more conflation.

You're avoiding the question I've put to you twice. What's your motive for starting this thread? Do you identify yourself as racist and/or islamaphobic?

Apologies I did type a response yesterday but computer locked up and it wasn't posted.

I didn't realise you needed to be Offended, bothered or need a motive to post about a news story / topic.

It was one that I thought was faintly ridiculous, others may or may not agree and may or may not be interested in. I would have said the same about anybody not showing their hair whilst advertising hair products. The lady in question is very attractive and could quite easily advertise all manner of beauty products but i think it ridiculous that she is advertising a hair related one.

There was a thread started yesterday about a man who kept a £25k watch that he received in error. I doubt the poster was in anyway offended or bothered by it, I would assume he thought it an interesting story that others might like to see / read. Did he have any motive or was it just a quirky / interesting news article ?

In response to Countdown's question re a good Muslims woman, - one that followers her religious texts and scriptures.

I am off for coffee and will respond to your other question later.

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

Yet more conflation.

You're avoiding the question I've put to you twice. What's your motive for starting this thread? Do you identify yourself as racist and/or islamaphobic?

Caught up with tax return yesterday.

I have one Muslim friend so can hardly be either...

Using non eu immigration as a base and assuming that most non eu immigration is of a BAME background.

En masse Non EU immigration brings no financial benefit to the country, it is a significant drain on the system. I fully appreciate that there are individuals, groups of individuals even whole countries that are of great value / benefit to this country, but we don't appear to be that well set up to pick and choose those we want, otherwise en masse they would be a financial benefit.

En masse I don't believe they bring any social or cultural benefits, many will bring issues form the old country that we have little experience of, and no idea of how to deal with. BAME are over represented in the prison system, there are all manner of reasons and arguments as to why, but they are.
I would say they bring / generate more social and cultural problems than benefits, many we don't help with, but they are there. Again there will be those that this does apply to and those it doesn't.
FGM and Breast ironing didn't start in the UK, immigrants brought them with them, why do we want those traditions in the UK ?

Unless we can be more specific with our immigration who we allow in and for what reason, I cant see why we would want En Masse Non Eu migration.

I would not want to bring in a family from country A - two adults 6 children with no real language skills, education or hope of ever being a contributor to the system. Does that really make me racist ?


I have no interest in any of the imported Religions, however one does seem to have more quirks and problems than the others. Do I see any benefit to it being in the UK ? No, I would say it brings more problems than benefits, again there are all manner of reasons and arguments as to why.
If they were news stories of Hindu's killing their own children, cutting bits of their daughter bombing us on public transport, trying to set up a caliphate, grooming gangs etc I would happily point out and discuss this, but there doesn't appear to be as many problems associated with that as there is with Islam.

I see no benefit to Islam in the UK, I think it creates more problems than benefits, does that make me islamaphobic ?


With regard to what is a Good Muslim.
Apologies I was probably a little hasty in my response.

I don't see what a good and or bad muslim is. We have had this before that people are free to pick and choose the parts of the book they follow. Somebody following peace and love, is a Muslim, somebody following the chapters not about peace and love is still a Muslim. We in the west like chapters 2, 4 and 6 so those are deemed good muslims, those who follow chapters 1,3 and 5 are deemed bad muslims or extremists.

Which I think links your question about terrorists and drinking to countdowns point about different versions and different interpretations ?

[del mar]

I think hatred is a bit strong.

Non Eu migrants over the last 15 years have cost the tax payer high on £150billion.

I am a vile individual to question that and ask why ?

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

Take no notice. There's possibly a parrot in there somewhere. You're a lovely guy with progressive, and 21st century views. Shame you can't share your embracive views at work, or with the general public, so have to resort to hiding behind a keyword.

Oh, and it's great that you have a black friend. Makes you a good egg.

Thank you.

If I stood for parliament could I count on your support ?

[del mar]

Countdown said:

Of course you’re not . This thread, and numerous snide comments on others, provide ample evidence of what you are. It’s purely a conincidence that Islam more than any other religion makes you froth at the mouth.

FGM isn’t anything to do with Islam, and yet you use it to explain why you don’t want “immigrants”. Breast ironing is nothing to do with islam but again its referenced in your diatribe. Grooming gangs have got nothing to do with islam but yet again, they’re mentioned. But let’s remember, you’re not an islamophobe. All of the above references are just coincidence. You’ve got nothing against islam....

This thread is the best example of how you’re not an islamophobe. If you scan back to the beginning it was a “simple innocent enquiry” about why L’Oreal would use somebody wearing a headscarf in an advert for their shampoo. Of course it had nothing to do with the fact that she’s a Muslim because, as you keep reminding everybody on every thread where you make your snide comments about Muslims, you're NOT an islamophobe.

And of course you have the obligatory Muslim friend. That’s completely believable because why wouldn’t he be friends with somebody who thinks he commits FGM, irons breasts, and is setting up a caliphate during his lunch break?

You always take any criticism of Islam too personally, you could criticise middle aged overweight white guys - I don't care. My comments were En Masse and there are of course those who are of great value to the UK.

FGM and Gangs have been discussed to death on their own threads, breast Ironing was not mentioned in relation to Islam.

Surely you cant deny that islam currently has a PR issue with its own unique problems ?

I don't think islam has brought any benefits to the UK, on the contrary it appears to have just brought / created problems, more so than any other Religion. If it has just brought problems, then no I don't understand why we want it in the UK . I am happy for people in Pakistan to live and breathe Islam doesn't bother me at all, provided it stays there.

[del mar]

mx5nut said:

del mar said:

I don't think islam has brought any benefits to the UK, on the contrary it appears to have just brought / created problems, more so than any other Religion. If it has just brought problems, then no I don't understand why we want it in the UK . I am happy for people in Pakistan to live and breathe Islam doesn't bother me at all, provided it stays there.

Does your token Muslim friend know you hold these views about him?

As a keyboard warrior !!!!

He is a non believer, but she is full on, I have raised / discussed with her;
This advert
terrorism in uk
ISIS
Israel and Palestine.
The Burkini in france
Kill all non believers where you find them
Grooming gangs
Religion itself.
Modest dressing
Beating your wife with a green stick to bring around light correction.
Pakistani Passports
I will send her any nonsense news article relating to Pakistan - normally stoning, Islamic control, blasphemy persecution of Christians and the Ahmadi.etc

Like Countdown she ignores / denies all of it, the standard nothing to do with Islam response, I presume she only reads chapters 2, 4 and 6

You need to separate individuals and en masse, of course there are individuals that contribute a lot and cause no problems, but En Masse I am not so sure.