Is this the last tory government
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Russian Troll Bot said:
As long as Labour occupy the hard left, the Tories will have the numbers to oppose them. If they ditch Corbyn and Momentum for someone more centre left, the Tories are screwed.
Maybe but when we have the toxic combination of millions of tory voters saying they won't vote for them again and millions of people who want a labour admin labour will get into power by default...I seriously think if there was a GE tomorrow there would be a labour majority ...
James_B said:
powerstroke said:
Will May be the cancer that finishes off the tory party or will they dump her ... would the remain wets and their big business ,banker types rather keep her as their puppet in attempt to reverse brexit ???
I recognise each of the words, but when you put them together like that they don’t work as coherent English.Care to have another run at it?
fblm said:
AJL308 said:
Rovinghawk said:
AJL308 said:
I don't have a huge amount to stash but if it looked even remotely likely that we were in line for a Labour government under Corbyn I'd seriously look at moving what little I had abroad - Cayman's, or similar. Anything left in UK would be taxed away to nothing in very short order.
Bear in mind that Labour have already stated that they have plans in place to prevent this; if you have to do it then do it very quickly, before they can pass laws to stop you doing what you want with your money.A holiday in Grand Cayman in the not too distant future may be an idea.
wormus said:
chris watton said:
Do not forget, there are many others who haven't and won't work a day in their entire lives, yet still live very well.
You are out of touch. We are at record employment rates. Do some research. wormus said:
chrisgtx said:
That’s half the problem though. Lots of people who don’t have the work ethic to earn enough money to have a basic life go and pop out a couple of kids and ‘bingo’ some other hard working drone will pay for you.
We need a new rule.
Kids are a privilege not a right.
If you can’t look after yourself don’t bring someone else into the world.
It’s not hard is it?
Read what you have just written and think about it again. We need a new rule.
Kids are a privilege not a right.
If you can’t look after yourself don’t bring someone else into the world.
It’s not hard is it?
Edited by chrisgtx on Friday 13th July 22:18
Edited by chrisgtx on Friday 13th July 22:25
First labour term .spending and lots of largess with wild borrowing some swingeing tax increases and the start of economic failure, second term closer to the economy of a certain central American country ,,
Hopefully the tory grass roots will oust May and Hammond before they finally FUBAR the party Mind it is eleventh hour now they have nearly trashed any support or confidence they once had from the general public, business and the tory faithfull ....
we really don't need a labour admin but thats what May Hammond and Robbins are going to give us ....
Hopefully the tory grass roots will oust May and Hammond before they finally FUBAR the party Mind it is eleventh hour now they have nearly trashed any support or confidence they once had from the general public, business and the tory faithfull ....
we really don't need a labour admin but thats what May Hammond and Robbins are going to give us ....
Coolbanana said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
It is after today, the Tories have abandoned a BREXIT of any consequence...
Did the Ballot paper describe differing shades of Leave? It was Leave or Remain as I recall.
There is no 'wrong' Leave providing the following single test can be met: Is the UK, officially, a Member of the EU? If the answer to that question is no, then Leave has been delivered and the Referendum result fulfilled.
That is what you voted for. You then expected the Government of the day to deliver a Leave in what they (not necessarily you) considered to be in the best interests of the UK and their Party. If you wanted Labour to deliver Brexit, well, that's too bad, the Tory's initiated it, you knew that and they retained the Power to deliver it in the Election that followed. All considerations you willingly accepted when you voted.
If you wanted a specific type of Leave, then you should have campaigned for a clear strategy option to be on the Ballot paper rather than a simple, Leave, which by definition and intent, you were giving your full approval to the Government to deliver as it saw fit.
When Bob in Sales pops by for a chat about the merits of a BMW 320d vs the Merc 220d later today, and he offers to make you a hot drink and you say yes, but he brings you a Nescafe but really you wanted an Earl Grey, you cannot blame him. You were happy not to be specific. He offered a hot drink, you accepted that it would be whatever he decided it should be, so long as it was a hot drink.
Helicopter123 said:
The referendum was an advisory non binding vote which was superseded by the election of 2017. A Tory government was elected and it promised to deliver Brexit, which it is doing by Chequers. I’m disappointed that we are leaving the EU but that is what Chequers delivers.
Well you might think its ok ,I deeply regret voting for May and the Tory party the only thing it is is it isn't labour apart from that it's just platitudes and hot air, any of the MPs who seemed to have any passion have just folded ..
I hope either UKIP returns to the centre right and drops the Tommy nonsense , or enough conservative MP's jump the sinking ship
and start a new centre right party , the DNA of the current tory party is for full self destruct Ive had enough of them I'm sure millions
of others will feel the same ...
Helicopter123 said:
A good start would be to means test all benefits including free bus passes and state pension.
A good start would be an end of the chav breeding program where feckless girls are rewarded with free homes and benefits.and the foreign aid budget being targeted on people needing help, not dictators because they buy weapons from us...
Condi said:
Tried living on benefits as a single mother? No, didnt think so.
Its not an easy way of getting rich... Maybe 10 years ago life was easier, but with the cuts in benefits, and cuts in LA budgets, its nowhere near as attractive as it was.
Its not an easy way of getting rich... Maybe 10 years ago life was easier, but with the cuts in benefits, and cuts in LA budgets, its nowhere near as attractive as it was.
Not possible for me as a middle aged bloke but I have a family member who isn't doing that badly I would doubt someone on the minimum wage would be doing as well or have as good a quality of life ...
Helicopter123 said:
I think we are not talking about Socialism but rather a democratic free market economy where large business and the wealthy contribute their fair share.
I'm sure that those on £100k + can afford to pay just a little more to help support those less fortunate.
A higher rate of VAT on internet purchases to fund the abolition of business rates would also help.
Sadly, the Tories are so far into the Brexit s
te that any careful thought has vanished.
What's Brexit got to do with it??? they have never realy got the bull by the horns on anything since the days of Thatcher...I'm sure that those on £100k + can afford to pay just a little more to help support those less fortunate.
A higher rate of VAT on internet purchases to fund the abolition of business rates would also help.
Sadly, the Tories are so far into the Brexit s
te that any careful thought has vanished.
Nickgnome said:
I think you are completely wrong and to be charitable misguided. The so called underclass are no such thing. A very significant portion are generationally deprived to the point they have no concept of how to manage their lives even from day to day.
It has nothing to do with so called generous benefits which are far from that. But unfortunately the attitude of calling people an underclass just reinforces their feeling of inadequacy.
As I stated my Dad was in social services so have a reasonable idea of the situation as it was and a couple of friends who currently are in the same or related fields.
Where do you get your opinion from?
We will always have a problem breaking the welfare dependency cycle while so many well paid jobs depend on it !!! the gnome family are just the tip of a giant iceburg..It has nothing to do with so called generous benefits which are far from that. But unfortunately the attitude of calling people an underclass just reinforces their feeling of inadequacy.
As I stated my Dad was in social services so have a reasonable idea of the situation as it was and a couple of friends who currently are in the same or related fields.
Where do you get your opinion from?
And don't forget the labour party relies on keeping people down and dependent..
Thatcher did so much damage to the labour party when she gave people the chance to better themselves with the council house sales , this lot need to find a way of breaking the welfare cycle ....
Nickgnome said:
Completely wrong on every line.
Thatcher did huge damage by not insisting that for every council house sale another one was built. This has resulted in the long term shortage in housing. Most countries including the states are not wedded to housing ownership.
Why would you think the Labour Party’s raison d‘etre are to keep people down? That is massively contradicted by educational spend in the Blair years which even at the end only just brought us up to the average.
I agree that we do need to break the welfare cycle but asking a dependent family to pull their socks up is a bit like asking a motorcyclist with multiple fractures to heal themselves unaided. It’s just not possible.
Agree she should have insisted more were built that is a fair pointThatcher did huge damage by not insisting that for every council house sale another one was built. This has resulted in the long term shortage in housing. Most countries including the states are not wedded to housing ownership.
Why would you think the Labour Party’s raison d‘etre are to keep people down? That is massively contradicted by educational spend in the Blair years which even at the end only just brought us up to the average.
I agree that we do need to break the welfare cycle but asking a dependent family to pull their socks up is a bit like asking a motorcyclist with multiple fractures to heal themselves unaided. It’s just not possible.
Edited by Nickgnome on Thursday 1st November 08:52
Labour relies on envy ,welfare dependence and state help for votes
Blair pushed education to get lots of semi educated on message pen pushers a very clever move
see all the daft clip board wielding PC/non jobs we now have!! fewer useful wealth creation ,engineering ,manufacturing etc.
You don't pull their socks up you give carrot and stick and you don't give girls a house as a reward for breeding another generation
of welfare dependents , hostel accommodation with child care options and work as part of the deal...
Edited by powerstroke on Thursday 1st November 09:52
Wonders what the silly bh would have done faced with the falklands invasion ????
why do tory leaders always end up trying to win the worst tory leader ever competition mind
suppose its inevitable when they pick the worst of the bunch when electing a new leader...
Is it tall poppy syndrome at play or are they just toss ??
h would have done faced with the falklands invasion ???? why do tory leaders always end up trying to win the worst tory leader ever competition mind
suppose its inevitable when they pick the worst of the bunch when electing a new leader...
Is it tall poppy syndrome at play or are they just toss ??
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