The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

[HoHoHo]

I don't think there's a poll which direction we'd like to go given the current Brexit stalemate.

I'm not interested in discussing if May is the right person, simply interested how those on PH feel given nearly two years of talks.

It would be interesting however to also discuss why you voted the way you have

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99dndd said:

I vote that people who push for a 'People's Vote' should be sent to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

I've changed the first to 'stay as close as we are currently in the EU' if that helps?

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Jockman said:

They can now reaffirm their disinterest.

Only if they can be bothered to read the thread so that figure may well be incorrect

[HoHoHo]

REALIST123 said:

Why should we carry on dithering because you don’t know what you’re doing?

Perhaps because both sides were fed a pack of lies and it’s now time to make a decision based on fact rather than fiction?

Just a thought........

[HoHoHo]

Why are those on here that voted out so scared and opposed to a second vote?

You’re all so confident the mood swing is in your direction and leaving the EU is right thing to do!

Let there be a second vote to draw a line under it once and for all - why not.

The first vote from what I remember was so close that there’s enough meat on the bone to double check nothing has changed.

Or are you concerned you may lose the vote?

Edited by HoHoHo on Saturday 20th October 14:19

[HoHoHo]

Russian Troll Bot said:

HoHoHo said:

Why are those on here that voted out so scared and opposed to a second vote?

You’re all so confident the mood swing is in your direction and leaving the EU is right thing to do!

Let there be a second vote to draw a line under it once and for all - why not.

The first vote from what I remember was so close that there’s enough meat on the bone to double check nothing has changed.

Or are you frightened......

Why are those on here that voted in so scared and opposed to a third vote?

You’re all so confident the mood swing is in your direction and staying in the EU is right thing to do!

Let there be a third vote to draw a line under it once and for all - why not.

The first vote from what I remember was so close that there’s enough meat on the bone to triple check nothing has changed.

Or are you frightened......?

Clearly you have no answer then

My money is on the fact now we all know Boris et all were all talking bks the country will decide to stay as they are, better the devil you know and all that.

The brixteers are frightened of a stay vote......

[HoHoHo]

Rovinghawk said:

HoHoHo said:

Why are those on here that voted out so scared and opposed to a second vote?

I object to the concept of undermining a democratic decision- fear doesn't come into it.

HoHoHo said:

Let there be a second vote to draw a line under it once and for all - why not.

Because if the result isn't what the remainers want then they'll demand another and another ad infinitum.

HoHoHo said:

Or are you frightened......

No, just expecting a democratic decision to be honoured.

Well let it happen and show those remainers a thing or two

[HoHoHo]

Shay HTFC said:

I've just spent a few days working in the kitchen of a restaurant in a luxury retailer, and it was literally 90% EU people working in there. Same for another kitchen I was in a few weeks back. And I'm sure it's the same up and down the country in all sorts of industries.

If Brexit happens, the restaurant industry is f**ked! I fear the people who are so pompously pro Brexit live in completely separate worlds to the ones where EU staff basically run things! I can imagine it's similar in the NHS too.

And just think, once all of those Europeans who work at Gatwick or Heathrow have gone who’s going to serve breakfast....

Those pesky (stroppy and unable to discuss the process without mentioning the word ‘Remoaner’ and getting all upset mostly) Brexiteers know what's best for the country that’s for sure

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Slim Jim the Third said:

Shay HTFC said:

I've just spent a few days working in the kitchen of a restaurant in a luxury retailer, and it was literally 90% EU people working in there. Same for another kitchen I was in a few weeks back. And I'm sure it's the same up and down the country in all sorts of industries.

If Brexit happens, the restaurant industry is f**ked! I fear the people who are so pompously pro Brexit live in completely separate worlds to the ones where EU staff basically run things! I can imagine it's similar in the NHS too.

How come?
Are we going to send all these restaurant workers home after March 2019?

Will EU workers no longer be able to come to the UK to work after March 2019?

I doubt most Europeans will want to stay here after we’ve left the EU!

[HoHoHo]

98elise said:

Have you spoken to most of them?

Not most of them however I live on the South Coast and we have quite a population of EU citizens living and working around Worthing/Bognor/Chichester etc.

I employ contractors to help when we’re busy (so read that as a lot) and the opinion of most Is they will move out of the UK should the deal not be right.

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Jockman said:

Shay HTFC said:

This. It's gone from everyone working 'in unity' so to say, to having chefs and kitchen porters from France be treated as outsiders. No one wants to be treated as a 2nd class citizen!

Interesting comment and I hope you're wrong.

Do you think we treat non-EU workers as second class citizens?

The perception from EU locals and two Dutch wives of friends is exactly that......

‘Get out of our country, we want no part of you’

Shame, they are just normal hard working friends and colleagues.

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bhstewie said:

Slim Jim the Third said:

I thought that PM May had been quite explicit about protecting EU citizens already working here?

Having rights isn't the same thing as the perception of what the "will of the people is" about you.

Correct

One wife, a sensible middle aged successful business woman was visibly upset and appeared almost frightened after the vote - ‘we’re not wanted here’ was quoted at the time.

Now call her what you like but that’s how she felt and still does to a great degree.

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Slim Jim the Third said:

HoHoHo said:

Correct

One wife, a sensible middle aged successful business woman was visibly upset and appeared almost frightened after the vote - ‘we’re not wanted here’ was quoted at the time.

Now call her what you like but that’s how she felt and still does to a great degree.

I know plenty of Europeans with a more rational view. But anecdotes are fairly meaningless in this context.

I’m sure there are more rational people around, doesn’t help Carina though!

Currently the uncertainty just isn’t helping and that needs to be sorted, and fast.

[HoHoHo]

Jockman said:

HoHoHo said:

I’m sure there are more rational people around, doesn’t help Carina though!

Currently the uncertainty just isn’t helping and that needs to be sorted, and fast.

6 months. All will be clearer.

I was hoping a bit sooner than that!

[HoHoHo]

cloggy said:

HoHoHo said:

The perception from EU locals and two Dutch wives of friends is exactly that......

‘Get out of our country, we want no part of you’

Shame, they are just normal hard working friends and colleagues.

bks, I am very happy in the UK and have not had any negative reactions.
I could not vote (Dutch passport) but I would have voted out.
I can't wait to get out of this corrupt club with arsholes like Juncker, Verhofstad, Barnier, etc,etc.

Good for you

Remember, we’re all different and that’s what makes life interesting

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Ghibli said:

Slim Jim the Third said:

There's a difference between a right to protest and trying to overturn a democratic referendum.

Are there new rules about what people can protest about.

Apparently democracy only applies to those who voted out

They appear so twisted and bitter that any discussion of a different outcome sends any Brexiteers into quite a frenzy....

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skwdenyer said:

At least in 1975 the Treaty of Rome was a public document, available for all to inspect, and clear in its statements of intent. At least people *could* learn what they were voting for. This time around there was no chance of that - just a leap in the dark.

Exactly, and this farce of a referendum was just like us all standing on the side of a pavement and being asked to jump into it. The remainers said stay on the pavement we’re not sure how deep the puddle is and it’s better to stay where we are, the leave campaign told us they don’t know how deep it is and you could get very wet or even drown but go on, jump anyway.

In order to allow people to make an informed decision provide factual information.

If that can’t be done (as is definitely the case and that would appear to be a fact) then a second vote based on actual facts would seem a sensible idea - after all, if it’s good enough for Boris to change his mind on policy once he has different information then why can’t we have a rethink?

Brexiteers can not deny we were all lied to however I respect their right to vote out if they simply don’t like the EU or don’t want to be part of it.

If as a result of a vote on facts rather than fiction the majority speak and we are leaving then it’s absolutely right we do so and as quickly as possible.

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HarryW said:

Which is exactly what we are seeing, Blair and a cabal of remainers orchestrating what effectively could become chaos for the country because they don't agree with leaving.

Aside from the fact they have nothing actually to do with the process other than suggesting they’re not happy in the public domain - I’m pretty sure it’s all down to the negotiating skills of May at the moment and her inner circle, which can of course be debated at length

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Jazzy Jag said:

HoHoHo said:

HarryW said:

Which is exactly what we are seeing, Blair and a cabal of remainers orchestrating what effectively could become chaos for the country because they don't agree with leaving.

Aside from the fact they have nothing actually to do with the process other than suggesting they’re not happy in the public domain - I’m pretty sure it’s all down to the negotiating skills of May at the moment and her inner circle, which can of course be debated at length

So Bliar didn't hold meetings in Brussels recently?

Junkers must of imagined it .Too much sauce, perhaps?

He may well have done but I’m pretty sure the negotiation is between the UK government and the EU, not an ex-prime minister and his chums, if not May would let him carry on and bury himself.

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dandarez said:

IF Remoaners had read the Gov leaflet distributed to every household (although we - my family - did not receive one, and I was in Cameron's constituency of all places! Therefore I read mine online) perhaps they'd have realised it was a 'ONCE IN A GENERATION VOTE'.

The leaflet - printed in the EU ffs! - and paid for by 'us', was sheer propaganda to stay. It pushed as much as it could for us to stay, every page was devoted to staying put, yet in our wise wisdom we decided to leave. A democratic vote. End of.

If Remoaners could not understand the words, hard cheese.
Some remoaners were apathetic and didn't even bother to vote.
Hard cheese again if you fail to understand the importance of a X.

On Thursday, 23rd June there will be a referendum.
It’s your opportunity to decide if the UK remains in the European Union (EU).
It’s a big decision.
One that will affect you, your family and your children for decades to come.

I found that fairly easy to comprehend in a few words. Much of what Remoaners constantly day in, day out, moan about was in the leaflet.
As said if remoaners couldn't understand its importance, that says more about them than those who voted to leave!

Much of what you say is of course true.

However, without a shadow of a doubt the votes that were cast on that day were based on untruths and lies - fact, and that was from both sides!

So, why not let everyone who voted previously have a second go based on hard facts rather than fiction?