Poor MPs being bullied outside parliament

[Not-The-Messiah]

Seen in the news today about the 50 or so MP making a complaint about being called names outside parliament. It just stinks of typical double standards to me.

How many times have we seen left wing protesters calling people Nazis and all other sorts of names? I can't remember the MPs saying anything about that. In fact the opposite I remember with Trump's visit a number of politicians saying that we in this country have the right to protest and speak out and should do so and Trump should expect it.

The likes of Anna Soubry can fk right off, boohoo someone called you a nazi, get over it.

The only time I've thought these protests are out of order is when they go to the MPs homes.

[Not-The-Messiah]

CoolHands said:

haven't read all the thread so apols if missed, but is it a criminal offence to call someone a nazi? I didn't think it was

I didn't think so to, any sensible person knows it's just a meaningless insult.

If I call someone a clown and they don't have a clown costume on or at home is that against the law to?

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chrispmartha said:

They didn’t call ger a communist, clown or fecking retard though, they called her a Nazi. Why not just deal with actually what happened rather than engaging in whataboutism

It makes not difference that's the point, you can't just personally choose which is offensive or not.
The only legal argument I could see is that it's libellous/ deformation. In which case the argument must be the person saying it must believe or trying to make others believe that the person in question is actually a Nazi, communist, clown or whatever.

Are you seriously saying that people will believe that Anne soubry is an actual Nazi? A national socialist who believes in superiority of a certain race and would be rounding people to commit genocide if given the chance? I know some idiots sort of believe it with people like Tommy Robinson, even Trump but come on.

[Not-The-Messiah]

anonymous said:

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You would have thought if it was the case the BBC would have used it but all they have come up with is Nazi, liar and scum.
I totally agree if threats of violence have been used then action should be taken.

But if they can't take being called a few silly names they are in the wrong job.

[Not-The-Messiah]

voyds9 said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder if, for example, it's possible to vote leave or remain yet vote for an MP for a set of reasons that aren't 100% Brexit?

Does anyone really think MPs deserve to feel threatened over Brexit or anything come to think of it?

Criticism is fine but ask yourself if you'd be happy with a member of your family being subjected to the kind of thing we're seeing.

I agree Farage shouldn't have his car attacked, Boris shouldn't be accosted at his home, JRM shouldn't be 'shamed' at his rallies

But where was the outrage when all that happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAqrfEMbC5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iArKU8zHSE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3p067YS6k

Owen Jones has made a career out of calling people nazi or fascist

As usual a comedian nails it (Jonathan Pie)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqAD8B39vA

In the first two videos if the police were not there I would put money on they would have been in physical danger. After Anna Soubry got cheated and she then walked directly though the protesters without the police acting as her bodyguards. She just got a bit of verbal abuse off a few idiots but was safely allowed to get to where she wanted go.

I don't remember 50-60 MPs and the media all getting upset about the stuff in the videos you posted. It's typical double standards from people who don't have any true principals and only react when it starts to affect them.
One day their decisions made on things like mass migration, blind social welfare and so on (well I suppose it's already started with things like this) but they really won't like it.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Just watched channel 4 news with Anna and Owen Jones. First off AS was complaining that she wasn't allowed outside by the police. She can't be that intimidated if she continues to actively seek to put herself into such a position. Also the police not allowing her should be a good example of the consequences of impulsive calls for action. They like to think naively it's just going to affect the bad guys but ultimately normal ends up curtailing everyone rights and freedoms and turns around to bite them on their arse.

The main point they where making was that the people doing it are far right fascists with which the label was thrown about with abundance even though they don't seem like to like at them

The thing they seem not to understand by making a far right issue they are making it a purely political issue. I was hoping that Snow would ask them what they think the solution would be but sadly he didn't.

It's quite clear what they unlimitedly want, they want authoritarian control of certain competing political ideas. And it's these who shout fascist the loudest and most the irony.

They use tiny one off events and individuals to smear huge groups of the public and organisations. When at the same time berate anyone who dares to do similar with other groups.

[Not-The-Messiah]

kurt535 said:

How many armchair warriors on here have ever been confronted and outnumbered by people who behaved really threatening and wished you harm? And you can't include your 'veteran' experiences on a computer game or a movie on your 65inch tv?

I remember getting myself into a bit of a situation years ago after a car crash. Ended up on my own surrounded by about 20 angry young Asian lads. This was right around the time when all the race riots kickoff, on the exact street where the trouble started.
I managed to last for a bit by basically acting like a very apologetic wimp. But eventually it all went a bit south when a little cocky dick punched me I took a few others punches off a few others and just remember thinking st I'm done for here. Luckily the police turned up just in time and no real damage done.

Can't say it was fun but would take a few idiots calling me a Nazi anyday.

[Not-The-Messiah]

NoNeed said:

Is this podcast available anywhere? does it even exist?

It's on the spiked Twitter feed. Just audio though no video.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Dindoit said:

We get it, you don't like them. This topic is about them being harassed on the street by far-right/left thugs. You either support this or you don't, it's really that simple.

No it not that simple it's not about supporting it or agreeing with it. It's do you think they should be able to do it?

There are plenty of things that other people do I don't like or disagree with doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to if it's not against the law.

In this case it's shouty idiots being obnoxious and rude. The question is should this be against the law? I say no.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 11th January 20:41

[Not-The-Messiah]

Dindoit said:

A lot of words just to say "support".

Personally I don't support thugs, left or right-wing, marching up to politicians in the street and yelling words like traitor, quisling or Nazi in their faces. That goes for Soubry, Cox, JRM, Farage or any other public figure.

Can I ask what is it about that particular situation you think is not acceptable or were laws should be apply?

Is it the name calling, Or the fact that they follow someone, or a combination of both?

If it's the name calling next time someone cuts you up in your car and you call them a name. Should they be able to have you arrested?

If it's following people and possibly even by being a big bloke that means intimidating. In which case people like bailiffs and journalists would be in trouble.

If it's both which is this case I believe it is then fine. But who decided the level? Is there are required distance or time of someone following you?
laws work well when there is a clear line with clear guidelines. As soon as you get laws that are ambiguous they can and do get misused.

We can all look at the footage and say their behaviour is wrong. But then you must think of the consequences of making laws or even how you would even create laws that would combat it.
And then if you do so then them laws must be used fairly and equally.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Saturday 12th January 16:37