Facebook bans UK far right groups
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Facebook and instagram have banned British National Party, Britain First, the English Defence League, Knights Templar International and the National Front and British National Party leader Nick Griffin, and Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen of Britain First.
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
jfire said:
El stovey said:
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?
Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
Probably because they're already united within an entity such as their university or Labour Party and more able to integrate and garner wider 'moderate' support compared to right wing groups who were created by angry disenfranchised young men who saw what they deemed issues in their local areas.Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
'The system' seems to be left's target although I can't remember a time before their main issue was the government. It makes you wonder whether they would have been so content with the EU under Labour.
jfire said:
El stovey said:
But isn’t that the point? They’re not represented by wider moderate groups because they’re not moderates, they’re hate filled racists and they’re only represented by hate groups?
Brexiteers are a massive group of racists according to the other 48%And I don't think hatred of the wealthy is moderate just because they're not an ethnic group.
It's all relative.
That’s the point it’s the far right wing groups that are preaching the hate most and causing the most harm.
AJL308 said:
El stovey said:
jfire said:
Funny people the hate filled Lefties.
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
AJL308 said:
FB can ban who it want's quite honestly, it's their platform. It would be nice if they did it even handedly though.
I've always had a big issue with banning people from saying things, even things which are obviously extremely offensive and unpleasant and even things which demonstrate a hatred of something or someone or some group. Banning people from putting their point across doesn't work because it becomes more difficult to challenge them. You end up with like minded people who only talk among themselves which just ends up in a load of mutual reinforcement of those ideas. It also makes it more difficult to keep a check on people people less is publicised so you don't know to challenge it.
The main danger, I feel though, is that by banning them you give them some "special" status that attracts even bigger and more dangerous weirdos than were already associated with them. The conspiraloons will put about the theory that these groups are "right" in what they say so have been banned by the establishment in order to shut them up. The "oxygen of publicity" is what people seek to deny them but miss the fact that pure oxygen will kill you eventually. Letting a tiny number of intolerant bigots spew their crap in the open will just result in the normal people laughing at them, hopefully whist pointing out the fool to all the passers by, who will also laugh. They will overdose on publicity oxygen.
I think you’ve taken a rather large step away from reality in your desperate attempt to make this ‘ban’ seem unfair. Hitler rallies? Oh yeah, that was just people laughing at him. I've always had a big issue with banning people from saying things, even things which are obviously extremely offensive and unpleasant and even things which demonstrate a hatred of something or someone or some group. Banning people from putting their point across doesn't work because it becomes more difficult to challenge them. You end up with like minded people who only talk among themselves which just ends up in a load of mutual reinforcement of those ideas. It also makes it more difficult to keep a check on people people less is publicised so you don't know to challenge it.
The main danger, I feel though, is that by banning them you give them some "special" status that attracts even bigger and more dangerous weirdos than were already associated with them. The conspiraloons will put about the theory that these groups are "right" in what they say so have been banned by the establishment in order to shut them up. The "oxygen of publicity" is what people seek to deny them but miss the fact that pure oxygen will kill you eventually. Letting a tiny number of intolerant bigots spew their crap in the open will just result in the normal people laughing at them, hopefully whist pointing out the fool to all the passers by, who will also laugh. They will overdose on publicity oxygen.
Facebook is responsible for aiding people to spread misinformation and lies (one of the downsides of that great thing called the internet). That it is taking steps to limit certain groups from using its platform is a good thing.
Have another
for suggesting the Labour Party should also be banned from FB. I fear you have been brainwashed.BlackLabel said:
Their club, their rules. Don’t blame them for wanting to rid the place of such groups.
Interesting time to announce this though, perhaps they were hoping it would take the attention away from yet another privacy breach.
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-uploaded-...
I'm not sure about the timing but they do seem rather unfortunate don't theyInteresting time to announce this though, perhaps they were hoping it would take the attention away from yet another privacy breach.
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-uploaded-...
Catat10 said:
Can you provide an example of a far-left social media page/group that spreads hate, attacks or calls for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are?
As an aside surely FB can let who the hell they like use their platform. Good riddance to the losers they've kicked off so far.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th April 04:24
Not-The-Messiah said:
Countdown said:
Have they ever labelled anybody as fascists who aren’t far right?
Define far right, Nigel farage as been labelled a fascist on occasions.
You’re just upset because the organisations banned are all right wing and you think it’s an attack on your politics due to your messed up polarised world view.
Pesty said:
Rivenink said:
Have there been any incidents where someone subscribing to far-left ideology has embarked on mass-murder?
I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
And this is a problem. I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
The media and lefties teachers have literally changed history
Communism killed more than the nazis by a huge magnitude. That somebody could not know this is ‘problematic’
[quote]Mr Hennessey categorically denied that he was giving a Nazi salute. Indeed, from the outset he said that he did not even know what one was..... Improbable as that may seem to those of us of an older generation, we do not reject that assertion as untrue. In fact, when cross-examined about this Mr Hennessey displayed a very considerable – one might even say lamentable - degree of ignorance about anything to do with Hitler, Fascism and the Nazi regime......Regrettable though it may be that anyone should be unaware of so important a part of our own and world history, we do not feel we should therefore find he was not telling the truth about this. All we would say (at the risk of sounding patronising) is that Mr Hennessey would be well advised to familiarise himself with events which continue to have great significance to those who live in a free country.
The agenda about how we learnt about the Nazis was set in the 1950s, when classrooms started seeing teachers who had served in the war turn up and tell their pupils all about it. My father recalls learning about Belsen because his history teacher had been one of the first to liberate the camp. The lesson consisted of "and this is what the Germans/ Nazis did", and proceeded to show a bunch of shocked but curious 11 years olds photos of stacked corpses. Accounts like that were repeated across the country, and influenced children who would grow up to be teachers etc.
Its not because of a Leftie agenda that the history of the Khmer Republic is not taught in British schools, or that the Cultural Revolution doesn't figure. I don't want the teaching of history in schools to be reduced to, as you seem to want, a series of accounts of mass murder, selected on the basis of supposed political neutrality. I would prefer children to be taught about the history of Britain, and that includes WW2. You prefer that children learn more about Cambodian or Chinese history. But now because people like you, pushing for a politically correct agenda in schools, are getting concerned that children are learning too much about the Nazis, or not enough about Pol Pot, that we end up with cretins like Hennessey on £50k a week.
Are you also expecting that the Bambuti genocide, the Herero genocide, the Moriori genocides to be also included in the school curriculum? These were genocides that succeeded in reducing the target populations by 40-95%.
Teddy Lop said:
but take say brexit, can we agree you can be pro-brexit but only moderately right of centre? It shouldn't need stating, hell you can be pro brexit hard left ffs, but as far as the prescribed correctthink goes you must be hard right. So suddenly you find the only people who aren't castigating you are the groups you mention, and that can't not have an effect.
The “correctthink “ of which you speak is prescribed where and by whom ? Take your Brexit example, I feel quite confident in saying that the significant majority of Remainers do not count the significant majority of Leavers as “far right”.
It’s not a prescription in any way shape or form, it’s an assumption and a fabrication based on opinion and justification.
Teddy Lop said:
Brooking10 said:
The “correctthink “ of which you speak is prescribed where and by whom ?
Take your Brexit example, I feel quite confident in saying that the significant majority of Remainers do not count the significant majority of Leavers as “far right”.
It’s not a prescription in any way shape or form, it’s an assumption and a fabrication based on opinion.
brexit is generally consistently portrayed as a hard-right concept though, and plain wrong/irrational rather than an alternative and valid PoV to hold. Take your Brexit example, I feel quite confident in saying that the significant majority of Remainers do not count the significant majority of Leavers as “far right”.
It’s not a prescription in any way shape or form, it’s an assumption and a fabrication based on opinion.
Or is it that, as has been frequently stated, the part of that population who hold such views voted for Brexit along with a whole host of other slices of society who hold different views but also support leaving ?
Fundoreen said:
sort of curious how this went. Did people wake up and go to check for the latest gossip only to find their newsfeed a bit barren looking?
Surely some hate preaching groups Facebook or Instagram is a rubbish place to get your fix of hate preaching? They must all have their own websites and forums or whatever anyway.It’s like all the former banned people on this thread rejoined here in the last year or so, just to post loads on these right vs left and immigration threads. You’d think that being banned would make them go to some more focused forum where they’re more welcome?
Must be like bash a mole for the mods trying to keep them out.
Countdown said:
It's not the genuine moderate right that are being welcomed by the far Right.
It's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
I did like that womans knockers though. I would temper that by saying they could just as easily be swinging to the left or the right to get me into Mr Happy modeIt's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
Thundersports said:
Let's make one thing clear I don't support Britain First.
However Jayda used to frequent a local Pub and I can confirm she has a cracking rack.......
In true PH jump the threads to make a point that isn't there I conclude :However Jayda used to frequent a local Pub and I can confirm she has a cracking rack.......
That the pub was called the Slave Traders rest.
Jayda was the local barmaid who was sexually molested on every shift. The whole pub was frequented by institutionally misogynistic men.who thought Benny Hill was the pinnacle of comedy.
In fact had Jayda not been subjected to such verbal and physical abuse simply because of her cracking rack. Then Jayda would not have turned into the person she is
- Jayda was a victim too
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