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Turning on BBC news (because it’s the best). I saw a young woman with nice yellow earrings and matching yellow microphone talking about (the dangers of a hard) brexit. I assumed it was BBC children’s news hour or a cbeebies hard brexit special for kids.
I discovered that this passionate youngster is Jo Swinson the leader of the Liberal Democrats, after her mighty defeat of political heavyweight favorite Ed Davey .
She’s there, making her first major speech, welcoming defecting MPs and telling Corbyn how it is, speaking passionately about stopping brexit and preserving democracy. She’s got a plan for the climate emergency for stopping terrorists and stopping brexit. She wants us, and hopefully more defectors by her side.
Is she a future PM or is another party killing coalition compromise in store or will she just be quietly replaced by another libdem nobody has heard of?
I discovered that this passionate youngster is Jo Swinson the leader of the Liberal Democrats, after her mighty defeat of political heavyweight favorite Ed Davey .
She’s there, making her first major speech, welcoming defecting MPs and telling Corbyn how it is, speaking passionately about stopping brexit and preserving democracy. She’s got a plan for the climate emergency for stopping terrorists and stopping brexit. She wants us, and hopefully more defectors by her side.
Is she a future PM or is another party killing coalition compromise in store or will she just be quietly replaced by another libdem nobody has heard of?
She’s on sky news now answering questions from the media.
She’s all for cross party talks to form some kind of democratic new form of government we won’t vote for, as long as Boris and Corbyn aren’t involved.
She seems to be deliberately adopting a school debating club style to appeal to youngsters.
She’s all for cross party talks to form some kind of democratic new form of government we won’t vote for, as long as Boris and Corbyn aren’t involved.
She seems to be deliberately adopting a school debating club style to appeal to youngsters.
Mark Benson said:
El stovey said:
At the moment she possibly lacks the gravitas of Ming Campbell or uncle Vice or that bloke who liked a drink or the one who said the bad stuff about the gays.
She lacks the gravitas of Timmy Mallett.Any gains the Lib Dems make under her leadership are entirely as a home from home for Blairites while Steptoe leads Labour and nutjob #FBPE types who want to stop Brexit.
WinstonWolf said:
El stovey said:
Turning on BBC news (because it’s the best). I saw a young woman with nice yellow earrings and matching yellow microphone talking about (the dangers of a hard) brexit. I assumed it was BBC children’s news hour or a cbeebies hard brexit special for kids.
I discovered that this passionate youngster is Jo Swinson the leader of the Liberal Democrats, after her mighty defeat of political heavyweight favorite Ed Davey .
She’s there, making her first major speech, welcoming defecting MPs and telling Corbyn how it is, speaking passionately about stopping brexit and preserving democracy. She’s got a plan for the climate emergency for stopping terrorists and stopping brexit. She wants us, and hopefully more defectors by her side.
Is she a future PM or is another party killing coalition compromise in store or will she just be quietly replaced by another libdem nobody has heard of?
The Libdems are currently about as relevant as UKIP.I discovered that this passionate youngster is Jo Swinson the leader of the Liberal Democrats, after her mighty defeat of political heavyweight favorite Ed Davey .
She’s there, making her first major speech, welcoming defecting MPs and telling Corbyn how it is, speaking passionately about stopping brexit and preserving democracy. She’s got a plan for the climate emergency for stopping terrorists and stopping brexit. She wants us, and hopefully more defectors by her side.
Is she a future PM or is another party killing coalition compromise in store or will she just be quietly replaced by another libdem nobody has heard of?
My bait was fairly stinky. hidetheelephants said:
El stovey said:
Nobody cares.
This is a thread about Jo Swinson.
Wee Jo wants another ref though, and another and another and another until she gets the answer she wants. Very EU-like of her.This is a thread about Jo Swinson.
MC Bodge said:
rs1952 said:
When posting on NP&E it is helpful if you understand the "P" bit of that...
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
Quite. She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
https://mobile.twitter.com/joswinson/status/116203...
rs1952 said:
El stovey said:
It’s funny seeing twitter all calling her a yellow Tory and on here the libdems are democracy hating lefties.
And what does that tell you? It tells me there a lot of worried people about.About every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
Conservatives infighting and lurching to the right, Brexit party beyond them, and looking increasingly irrelevant. labour now way over on the left. There’s loads of people utterly fed up with brexit and how the conservatives have handled it and don’t like Corby's brand of labour.
crankedup said:
Exactly what does ‘a Government of National unity’ mean. Unity of what, less than half of the referendum electorate 2016. How is that National unity, what is this proposal if enacted focused upon, stopping what was called for in the referendum. Out of the E.U. is plain enough for most people to understand. If we cannot come to a reasonable
and acceptable deal with the E.U., and that is where we are, then we leave on no deal.
It means dishonest and thick politicians who count on others being as thick as they are. Much like the people's vote numpties from a few months ago. and acceptable deal with the E.U., and that is where we are, then we leave on no deal.
She showed her lack of experience the other evening. Coming out immediately to poo poo Coybyns suggestion
If she had agreed to the no confidence in PM Johnson part, then agreed to discuss next steps, it would have been far more statesmanlike . Rather than opening her mouth before her brain was in gear..
If she had agreed to the no confidence in PM Johnson part, then agreed to discuss next steps, it would have been far more statesmanlike . Rather than opening her mouth before her brain was in gear..
Vanden Saab said:
rs1952 said:
It looks to me like Murph7355 and Vanden Saab are getting as rattled as Tory High Command.
Perhaps we should pause for a moment and look at what's causing all this. Although the Brexiteers like to portray it as such, it is not anti-democratic; it is not ignoring the will of the people or the referendum result.
It is being caused by the tit Johnson and his inner sanctum refusing to talk to the EU until it backs down from something they know full well it will not back down from, and thereby taking the country headlong into a no deal crash out of the EU on 31st October.
It is not only the remainiac remainers who think that is a bloody stupid idea.
Not rattled at all. I would welcome this new government IF they do what they say. Personally I do not think they will. Power does strange things to people. Some step up to the mark while others get corrupted and try to cling onto it no matter what. Perhaps we should pause for a moment and look at what's causing all this. Although the Brexiteers like to portray it as such, it is not anti-democratic; it is not ignoring the will of the people or the referendum result.
It is being caused by the tit Johnson and his inner sanctum refusing to talk to the EU until it backs down from something they know full well it will not back down from, and thereby taking the country headlong into a no deal crash out of the EU on 31st October.
It is not only the remainiac remainers who think that is a bloody stupid idea.
The constituencies are split roughly 70-30 Leave / Remain. Parliament is roughly 70-30 Remain / Leave. Why are 200 MPs going to vote to make themselves unemployed if they can avoid it. I can see them getting an extension and then finding a way to revoke or accept a deal so damaging to the UK it will make no deal look like a walk in the park. Of course in 2022 they will be voted out and a Leave gov will be elected by a landslide, probably with Nige at the helm but by then the damage will have been done.
How did Cameron’s plan to reunite the Tories go?
I wonder what he thinks now, sitting in his shed. Where tools are kept ..
Nickgnome said:
Please name all the MPs in the Greens, Labour and Lib Dem’s that support Brexit.
Look up the list who voted for the referendum and to trigger article 50 yourself in hansard.The vast majority of the MP's voted for this.
The bill to create the act of parliament that created the referendum was introduced by a certain phillip hammond MP.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th August 08:13
Nickgnome said:
Not a clever response. You have answered a question I did not ask as well you know.
I want the list of Brexit supporting MPs in those parties.
All labour and conservative MP's stood on manifesto pledges for Brexit, so thats your most recent list. They either all support Brexit or they lied during the election. I want the list of Brexit supporting MPs in those parties.
Otis Criblecoblis said:
El stovey said:
Libdems getting some more defectors since the last post.
Phillip Lee from the conservatives
Luciana Berger from labour.
Will any of the 21 kicked out by Boris join?
Rumours the last bits of Anna Soubry's change party going to also join before the general election.
I'm surprised the whole of the Change UK ( are they still called that ? ) haven't jumped to the LibDems. The only reason I can think of is because they know how bad it looks to change political parties three times in a number of weeks. They needn't worry though, your average Remainer cares not and will suspend any ideas they should face a by-election, so long as they keep on the anti Brexit message. Phillip Lee from the conservatives
Luciana Berger from labour.
Will any of the 21 kicked out by Boris join?
Rumours the last bits of Anna Soubry's change party going to also join before the general election.
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