Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/us-diplomats...


I drove past the scene of this a week or so ago en route to a trackday at Silverstone, and could see the flowers and impact marks, the motorcyclist had no chance.
There was some local gossip at the time I believe that suggested there was some sort of cover up and only small local press articles that were quite mooted. I looked into it a bit as it appears the poor lad was distantly related to a mate of mine from school in Ireland!

Accident happened on a brow of a hill in a 40mph limit, the car on the wrong side was a black Volvo SUV and accident was near dusk. She'd turned out of the base, and driven 400 yards or so on the wrong side and when the impact happened it is double white lines.

Why the fk are these retards allowed to drive on our roads in their yanky LHD cars with no proper training? It appears on the base, they drive on the right and have to swap when they come off base. fking ridiculous idea.

35 years ago, I was hit by an American student cyclist who was going down a one way street the wrong way, and it smashed my ankel and lower leg to bits, (compound fracture), He stopped, gave all his details, police were there etc, but then did a bunk back to the US and did not return for any court case and of course I got no compo as it was the 80's and he was not insured etc. 2 years before I could walk anyway near right and even to this day I struggle on uneven surfaces.

Chicken sts

Edited by poo at Paul's on Saturday 5th October 11:26

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And of course an investigation would have shown it was "just an accident". Or it may have shown she was rushing to take her two kids to ballet, drunk, on drugs, not insured, or had maybe even done it before??? Who knows?

IMO, respectfully, the action following the death of this young lad, minding his own business, speaks volumes as to whether it was merely an accident, or if there was some negligence on someone's part. No statement from the RAF base, a letter to the family by the Ambassador and that is it...fk you guys.

Now, this was just a 19 year old lad on his motorbike, I understand he lived locally and was from a decent working class family. Would this have happened had it been someone more in the public eye, a minor Royal, the Chief Constable's son, an MP's spouse or kid? But an ordinary Joe Smoe, and this story breaks on the back pages what, 6 or 7 weeks after the event....?


Stinks IMO

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As OP I asked for it to be moved to BB, as posted in news by accident. So no conspiracy theory, although I like the suggestion!
This cover up is at multiple levels! Lol

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Locally there are questions being asked as to whether she did have any diplomatic immunity and if so was it there before the incident or was it granted afterwards?
Also looking at the RAF site’s Facebook, ironically, some days before the incident, there was a Volvo event on at the base, trying to sell them to military personnel. I wonder how hard they push the ‘safety’ angle.....?

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Interestingly a large protest outside the RAF base involved today, with a good turnout. Connected to the case, or just the anti war lot, I am not sure, but a few guys I know at Merc f1 said they took a run over after work to see the scene after hearing about the case in the news and it was rammed outside with some sort of protest.

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Krikkit said:

She's killed someone through her fault exclusively, she'll live with and no doubt be tormented by that for the rest of her days. A couple of years in prison wouldn't make any odds to me in that situation.

I'll never understand the idea behind "she will have to live with it...." what in her comfy big house, with all her family and friends, as if it all never ever happened?

Like she gives a st?

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Coolbanana said:

I'm not condoning what she has done, both the accident nor the escape, but I would imagine most people in her position would leave if they had the opportunity.

Not everyone is scum.

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BY no means confirmed, but local rumour is that the immunity card was played much later in proceedings, not in the immediate aftermath. So was the immunity there or added later?
Also locally being said police believe she was using a phone at the time and military police were first on scene. She had two kids in the car with her.

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So how does anyone know she has left?
She could just be being held up on the base, or given a new identity.

What I don't get is there is nothing in the press about her being arrested for death by dangerous driving? Isn't that standard in fatal accidents where there is evidence that someone has done something dangerous?

Could it be that some people are dealt with within the law differently to some others?

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Coolbanana said:

SkyNews is reporting that the Base has special Diplomatic protection.

A lawyer specialising in such cases sums it up:

https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-diplomatic-immu...

Basically, people in the UK can make as much noise as they want, if the US decides it is protecting the woman in question for whatever reason, then she does not even have to defend a Civil action. It would be over before it began. The Family is rightfully upset but naught they can do without the US waiving Immunity.

Appealing to the woman directly is pointless too if she is under instruction to remain quiet because her hubby is a valued Intelligence Officer.

It is up to the US Authorities - how valued is their asset? We'll find out, I guess.

Well if this is true i pity the poor fkers that have to live in amongst these people, who can do as they like without any repercussions. A new species of "do as I likies".
Reports suggest this base is being expanded, massively, to facilitate another 3000 staff. It's going to be carnage for the locals if even a small percentage of them cannot drive for fking toffee, there will be dead people in ditches everywhere.

I can see some seriously bad PR and attention from them out of this, and it is probably not what such a facility really wants.
As I mentioned there was seemingly some sort of protest up there yesterday.

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eccles said:

And yet the roads around those two massive airbases in Suffolk aren't carnage, so no need to make things up.

The subtle difference is that this base houses about 1500 on base currently most, pretty much all live on base. The 3000 extras will not be able to be accommodated on base so there will be a huge increase in living off base staff.

I've been reading some interesting posts on the Military forums, regarding this incident and similar incidents going back over the years back to the 80s. It is quite worrying to hear from people stationed at some of the US bases where there was a high proportion of "off site living" personnel, that wrong side accidents were quite common, and that similar actions were taken, one comment was "whisked out of the country before the insurance company letter arrived, which was retuned as "not known at this address". Not my words, those of people who were stationed there.

It looks like the status and role of this particular RAF station has changed in the last few years, and some of the comments mentioned here about the sort of personnel stationed there may well be correct, any expansion of similar staff, with similar immunity cards being played, will be of concern to the locals, I reckon.

I wonder what has happened to the car involved in this, who insured it, ie a UK company or US? It is interesting that a Volvo car event was being held at the base only a few days before this. I wonder if could have been a car from this event?

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Named now by Sky News. Names and addresses of her houses in Virginia, husbands name etc, DOBs all over Twitter now!

They're some pretty good spys!

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El stovey said:

CIA?

DFS!

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Twitter is throwing up a traffic ticket back in USA for "not paying time and attention", (sounds like "without due care and attention"), but from 2007.

Even her husband's FCC radio ham callsign is up there!

Twitter is doing its thing

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PositronicRay said:

It's actually quite difficult to buy a LHD in the UK, manufacturers will make you jump though hoops. More likely bought in mainland Europe, after a tour of duty they'll be taken back to the US.

Volvo were doing a sales event at this very base only a week or so prior to this accident. Organised by some Military cars frim in SE somewhere, you can see details on the base's facebook.

If you follow the road from the base, turning left as she did toward the village, it is about 400 m to the accident scene which was just on the downward side of the brow of the hill on a left hander. But to have got herself here, she has not only done 400m on the wrong side of the road, she has passed and ignored two VERY CLEAR move left arrows that are there to bring overtaking cars back into the correct lane before the brow of the hill.
This was not just a "mistake" this was absolute negligence and lack of even basic attention by some woman who's own things she wanted to do that day were so much more important that this poor lad's.
Have a look at Google earth and follow the route she took, it is IMPOSSIBLE to still be on that side of the road going over the brow of that hill as she was, if she is paying the slightest bit of attention. Even if she missed the first "move left" arrow, there is another before the solid white centre line and she ignored that.

Negligent selfish bh. But of course she was in her Volvo XC90 so she and her couple of kids are ok....

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Thesprucegoose said:

KTF said:

Nothing says your innocent quite like packing your bags and doing a runner...

Or maybe she had no choice. As it came from higher ups. Trial by media the modern day witch hunt.

Nope, she IS guilty, she admitted causing the accident at the time. No trial by media required, it WAS her fault. And a completely innocent motorcyclist died.

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red_slr said:

This happened 6 weeks ago right? And the local police had time to go and interview her?

So when did she go back to the US? I am confused by the timings of all this and it sounds to me like the media are maybe making it into something its not. Yes someone has died, and its tragic but is she *really* claiming diplomatic immunity or is this something the press are playing word games with?

I suspect she is cooperating behind the scenes, I don't see any reason why she would not and also why the US authorities would not either. Its not like this accident happened on deployment in the back streets of some village in a country they are not meant to be in.

The story of her return broke Saturday, but she did not go back Saturday . it is a question to be answered, but almost certainly went back weeks ago.

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Somewhat bizarrely, there is some guy piping up and ranting on the RAF base community page today, saying how everyone in the military needs to STFU about it all and is committing treason by saying anything anti American!
He then starts spouting that the MC rider was speeding and was not wearing a helmet, and that this fact isn't being reported.

If you check his FB, he is down as ex military and ex CIA!

If you didn't think that was nutty enough, his FB site has loads of links to Princess Greta and her spoutings of shyte!

Mental.

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eharding said:

He's probably telling his mates about some spanner on PH spouting shyte about the septics driving on the right at RAF Croughton though....

I was only posting on here what I'd heard from local people was / is the case, it seemed ridiculous to me and I stated so. If it is not true, that's fine, I don't know if it is or not, I live over 150 miles away and have only driven past the place once, to see the scene, that's all.
I am following the story and the local info particularly, as the victim was a relatively of an old school friend of mine. He lives more local, but not that local and of course a lot of his family and friends live more local than him and they have been talking about this case for many weeks, not just since the weekend when we have been talking about it.

What is clear is that the accident was absolutely caused by a car from the base driving on the wrong side of the off base road. She drive many hundreds of yards doing this, went round a right had bend that's pretty unsighted, ignored two pull left arrows, and went over the brow of a hill with a solid white line on the crest, all on the wrong side of the road. This is not in doubt. If you say they drive on the left on the base, as may well be the case, it makes her crime even more mind boggling, as she must have driven on the base, on the left, then swapped to the right as she left the gate.

What is clear, is the rider was wearing a helmet. There's no evidence to say he was speeding, it is a 40mph area (I think) maybe 30, certainly it is restricted there, not NSL.

As for the looney ex CIA guy writing all the bizarre stuff on the base page there earlier, it has all been moderated out, thankfully, so I maintain that what he has posted would appear to be complete utter shyte.

But thanks for your input, you make Greta proud.

BTW, whilst his posts have been taken down, as people responded, his name is all still there showing on the board, go check him out, he is an interesting bloke, liberal, anti Trump, anti British, (we are all racists it seems), he may be right up your street!!!

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Bit more to all this than it being an "accident".
She drove a significant distance on the wrong side and ignored two very clear road markings to move to the left. Biker dropped the bike braking hard to avoid her oncoming and was not thrown into or over the vehicle, he was crushed under it, she carried on driving over him in the road.

There was a front seat passenger in the car, a 12 year old, who also seemed oblivious to being on the wrong side of the road, (my 12 year old is pretty aware when we are in the car). BY a cruel twist, this kid and his sibling were enrolled at the Private school that the dead lads father worked at.

This is a PR disaster for many agencies, the base, even the school in some respects, people see it as the elite getting away with killing some lad from a working class family, the collision being caused by a driver who not only made a mistake, but continued with that mistake for a significant distance, and ignored two VERY CLEAR road markings that would have alerted anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to their driving to the error that they were making, you can check it on google streetview, it is impossible to have got to the collision point without ignoring them two big white arrows.
Whatever she was thinking about or obsessed with that day, it was not her driving. IMHO to call it merely an accident commits a further injustice toward the victim of the incident.
She wont come back and hence she will (likely already has) moved on from the whole thing and all she has lost is her kids getting a free top notch private education in the UK, (the military pay for it). The victim's family have lost an awful lot more.