Yuri Bezmenov - Western Destabilisation - early 80s

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Yuri Bezmenov defected from the USSR, landing in Canada, over 30 years ago.

He did a number of interviews and lectures regarding social subversion and the long term destabilisation of the Western World.

This is a short(ish) clip of a longer interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA&t=

It specifies the US but that's due to the interview being for an American market - it rings true for Europe as well.

He even uses the phrase 'Social Justice' in a process that had been going on many years before the interview took place.

I cannot understand why this is an interview that relatively few have watched - I guess it fits into the Russia Tin Foil Hat territory, and I'm sure the usual suspects will mock me for posting it, but when applied more to the Socialist/Left/SJW aspect, it rings dangerously true. Whether or not there is still State intervention, they definitely started something that I think we're living now.

I've posted it before in response to long term social degradation only to have others say they aren't interested in watching it, it's all bunkum etc... ironically proving the points of the interview.

Be interesting to see what people think when the video has been watched and look at the current state of politics.

Here's the full lecture should you be interested - scary AF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

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Well, I'm surprised.

Not even a comment taking a piss.

I guess there's a reason why the contents are not widely known.

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I think that what I've seen in it.

It's almost as if the state plan went tits up in 89 due to the wall coming down, but the seeds had been sown in the preceding generations and the ball had started rolling.

Then again, we have the Shadow Cabinet in the street parading under the hammer and sickle...

Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 7th December 11:22

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jshell said:

I don't think that people are watching or have their eye on the ball. I did a long post in one of the climate threads where I laid out my view that the science of that doesn't matter any more. The fact is that China and Russia are weaponising climate change and funding the likes of XR to bring Western de-stabilisation. There were next to no replies to that, as you're seeing with your link to the defector.

It's worth looking into 'The Chinese Dream' which is essentially the economic dominance of the world.

I was (mildly) concerened about posting the thread as it's so easy to label it as a conspiracy, Russian bogeymen, jumping at shadows etc... but I've known about Bezmenov a long time (ex-military) and was pleased when the stuff popped up on YT and have posted it since then when I've thought it relevant.

It seems that either 13 minutes (for the short clip) is too long for people to invest to a forum debate, they don't understand it (which I don't think is really the case), they don't like it so won't comment hoping it sinks, they can't argue against it or it get's missed.

I can't understand why this isn't blindingly obvious, and worrying, to far more people - I can only hope that peak 'whatever it is/outcome' happens while there is enough strength to resist it and it devours itself while calmer heads prevail.

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Brexit? That's one drum to bang I suppose, however, Brexit is a symptom, not a cause.

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DeepEnd said:

Mothersruin said:

Brexit? That's one drum to bang I suppose, however, Brexit is a symptom, not a cause.

In terms of destabilisation of the west - it's an enabler from a Russian point of view which is why they have pushed it.

It's a symptom of the west turning in on itself, too comfy in its safe peaceful bubble.

Education on its wider implications would have avoided it.

Interested if you don't think brexit is an enabler related to your video link.

Oh, no doubt they'd be all over it, it's perfect. Education on the wider implications of European Socialist and Liberal Federal policies would have not created the environment for Brexit in the first place.

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bhstewie said:

Linked to in another thread.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geo...

"The United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe."

I've never read it as it's not an area I know much about.

Just as common sense it does strike me that people are being selective in what they want Russian involvement to involve and it's rather odd to take the view that their interference will be limited to things that benefit Corbyn but they wouldn't dare try to influence a referendum etc.

You're looking at recent tactics. I've posted up the strategy.

And I agree with you.

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DeepEnd said:

Mothersruin said:

Oh, no doubt they'd be all over it, it's perfect. Education on the wider implications of European Socialist and Liberal Federal policies would have not created the environment for Brexit in the first place.

Is that education or Russia backed misinformation about the EU?

An education in not falling for anti-EU propaganda would have avoided the environment for brexit.

Both, neither, perhaps. I don't want this to focus on Brexit. It's a recent development influenced to some degree during a very long term strategy. It's a small part in a much bigger picture,

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Without quoting everyone - Brexit/Trump - stopping both would only create other issues. It's like flood defences. Build them in one place, it'll just happen further downstream.

I'm not knee jerking on this - as said, I've known about this particular guy for a long time and have used the vid for a while now.

I'm also under no illusion that interference is blind to our party politics. Anything will & can be used.

I noted the SJ element as it's specifically mentioned in the clip.

It's hugely complex - hence always having to deal with unforeseen consequences down the line.

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jshell said:

AW111 said:

AW111 said:

I'm all for grown-up discussions, but blaming every societal change you disagree with on the Russians isn't that.

jshell said:

No-one is blaming everything on the Russians. <snip>

Don't you read this thread?

Pesty said:

They filled schools universities and the media with commies churning out limp wristed mealy mouthed NPCs who vote for polices that destroy social cohesion,family values, destroy the economy and who think we shouldn’t give draconian sentences to terrorists.

They won the Cold War, but they are playing the long game

They’ve created whole generations of people who hate their own kind and the media constantly push it and most soak it up.

Pesty's "I hate modern society and it's all Russia's fault" post is a minor classic of it's kind, but hardly grown-up thinking.

Pesty has some good points though, the Russians DO play for a long game. Same with other nations who have less of a 'live for today' attitude.

Safe dictatorships are good for that sort of thing. Democracies tend to see-saw every four or five years cancelling out a lot of work of the previous governments.