A&E waiting times

[Esceptico]

So it seems the governments solution to not meeting the 4 hour waiting target in A&E...is to change the target (no doubt to something they can achieve).

A sign of things to come under our glorious leader Boris? No doubt those that were frothing at the mouth over a stupid off the cuff comment by an ex Labour MP will be strangely silent on this obvious attempt by the Tories to escape scrutiny over their stewardship of the NHS.

[Esceptico]

Typical PH. Should have realised it would be the fault of people for getting injured and being sick rather than the government for underfunding the NHS.

I’m sure that the 30% of people waiting more than 4 hours will be relieved by the anecdotal tales of quick visits above. They are obviously injured/sick at the wrong time or wrong place.

[Esceptico]

A&E being full of drunks and people who shouldn’t be there is not a new phenomenon. That has been happening for decades. Does anyone on here have evidence that this has got worse and is solely responsible for the continual drop in performance?

If time wasters are the problem then why hasn’t the government done something to address that problem? Rather than simply changing the way A&E is assessed so that the problem becomes less visible?

Blaming Labour is just pathetic. Not because they were doing something right but because they haven’t been in power in a decade. What have the Tories done to improve the NHS in that time?

My experience of A&E is overall not that positive. Just recently my 83 year old mother slipped over in ice and broke her arm and shoulder. My sister who was with her really had to fight to get an ambulance (a 80 year old lying on the freezing floor in shock and pain is definitely at risk of dying) then the hospital didn’t even bother giving her a sling and kicked her out telling her to go to her own A&E (down south as my sister lives up north). Her local A&E wouldn’t see her without a referral from a doctor so it took over a week (during which she was in the worst pain in her life - she said giving birth was a breeze in comparison). When she was finally allowed to see the fracture clinic the nurses were horrified that she hadn’t been given a sling (when they did give her a proper sling the pain became bearable).

[Esceptico]

Earthdweller said:

Mothersruin said:

catweasle said:

amgmcqueen said:

The bottom line is that when you allow Johnny Foreigner to flood the country for two decades it will have a profound and catastrophic affect on public services.

Nice of you to give more ammo to slasher et al...well done you.

It's true though - it's not the whole picture of course, which is very complex, but more people = more stress on the system.

I said above - less people through natural selection and decent diet would be a good place to start.

It’s hardly rocket science to know that you can’t grow the size of the population by the size of the city of Southampton year on year WITHOUT growing public services proportionately

In the last year figures are available ( 2018) the net migration figure was 278k down from 350k in 2016

It’s fair to say some of that gain could well be U.K. nationals returning to the U.K. as well as non U.K. citizens coming to live in the UK

It’s not racist, sexist, or any other kind of ist or phobic to say it

It’s time there was a grown up conversation not just about hospitals but schools, policing, housing care services etc etc

A growing population demands more resources, you cannot keep putting putting more and more into same pot .. eventually it will overflow

A large town will have a General Hospital, realistically we should be building and opening two new ones every year to cope with the rising population

But we are not

The choice is simple

1. Stop growing the population

Or

2. Provide the public services and infrastructure to meet the demands of the increase in population


( sits back and awaits the explosion )

The vast majority of those migrants will be working so helping generate revenue for UK companies (so should be adding to corporation tax paid) and of course they will be consuming (VAT) and paying personal taxes. Why haven’t those additional taxes been used to fund the additional services that a growing population needs? I suppose it can’t be the Tories fault as they haven’t been in government for a decade...

[Esceptico]

anonymous said:

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Yes certain newspapers do like to go on about low paid migrants and seem to forget all the ones with good jobs.