Caroline Flack
Discussion
uk66fastback said:
I don't watch it either but the Mrs does. As far as I understand it, good looking young people are the only ones to get chosen, it's scripted for some of the time - couples get together - and then they start introducing other decent women and lads so jealousy rears its ugly head - just what you want for people's mental health. All this time with x million watching your every move.
All the blokes look the same, tattooed-covered with tans. All the women are lathered in make-up and without much on! I will admit to seeing the dod snippet when passing through where the TV is but it's brain-dead TV for anyone with intelligence (and I include the wife in that)
When they put a flabby ginger bloke in there, I might start watching.
Maybe those that watch it more can explain further what the attraction is?
Sounds destructive, giving contestants the ultimate (sexual jealousy) head fAll the blokes look the same, tattooed-covered with tans. All the women are lathered in make-up and without much on! I will admit to seeing the dod snippet when passing through where the TV is but it's brain-dead TV for anyone with intelligence (and I include the wife in that)
When they put a flabby ginger bloke in there, I might start watching.
Maybe those that watch it more can explain further what the attraction is?
k. S loves Towie. For an intelligent girl I just don't get it. 'Yeah but no, but she said this and he said that and she's such a spineless bh and why does he like her, and anyways I'm so done with him and..........' fking grade A garbage. Taylor James said:
DSLiverpool said:
Can’t get my head around a fragile person getting terrible news was alone at home when she had a twin, two other siblings and her mum and dad. Where were they? Why did they think they didn’t need to organise a rota to be with her?
The court case wasn’t ITVs fault, her apparent lack of support wasn’t either BUT ITV should have seen this and organised help for her outside of friends and family. I don’t buy the “popped to the shops” either that’s an excuse to dilute the shame her f&f feel now.
It's surprisingly difficult to be around someone 24/7 if they're not detained and the close support network have lives to lead of their own. Very often the person in crisis will reassure people that they "won't do anything stupid" so they are fine to be left alone for periods of time. This can be true or it could be that the person in crisis is just waiting for the opportunity. I have known people who have suddenly left a party or family event, gone home and killed themselves. My sister's friend's son got up from watching TV with his parents asking to put the film on hold while he went to the loo. Within two minutes he had hung himself. I'm old, not just unlucky with friends and acquaintances.The court case wasn’t ITVs fault, her apparent lack of support wasn’t either BUT ITV should have seen this and organised help for her outside of friends and family. I don’t buy the “popped to the shops” either that’s an excuse to dilute the shame her f&f feel now.
In any event, if alone and the black clouds descend, then the decision can be taken and carried out very quickly. Why, even Jeffrey Epstein under 24 hr CCTV monitoring and human checks was able to manage it. People in mental health secure units kill themselves. If she was determined and this wasn't a so-called cry for help, I doubt anyone could have stopped her unless she was put under restraint.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Thesprucegoose said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Something negative or traumatic in your childhood seems to shape your life. It's easy to say "get over it" or "just don't allow it to affect you" but when it's something that bad it's nearly impossible. Tormented is the best description
I watched my Dad die on holiday at 8. I remember most of it to this day . The funny thing is my brother,4 years older, was there and he has led a very succesful life, whilst mine has been peppered with gambling,drink and self destructive tendencies along with other stuff.
Your comment really resonated with me, as I had not thought about that way.
Perhaps that's where you and your brother differ. Maybe at the age of 4, his memories are very much less vivid or perhaps he can't remember the incident very well.
Unfortunately, we seem to judge others with what we are doing. Yes, your brother is very successful but you are two different people. Everyone reacts differently to a situation. I am sure he will have some demons if he does in fact remember anything about the tragic death of your father.
The brain seems to enjoy tormenting us. Anything traumatic seems to be recorded and played out over and over again. We then seem to get into a cycle of the same things happening or we seem to attract more sh** experiences.
I know it's easy to say but try and not be too hard on yourself. We all cope the best we can.
KTF said:
It’s human nature but I can tell the difference. Some people are happy to come and chat, others act like there is a 3ft shield around me so stare from a distance instead.
This bit I get. 11 years ago one of my (4) eldest friends was killed in a car accident. I witnessed people I knew in the days after being edgy, wary, looking the other way. One lass who didn't was a lass from my class in school, I'd not actually spoken a word to her since those days, actually thought she was a little bit of a prissy cow back then. The evening after, the remaining four of us were in the local, and she saw me, walked straight over, hugged me and said 'Robby I'm so so sorry'.I'd still consider her a friend today, even though one I see very sporadically.
Thesprucegoose said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
@TSG. IIRC wasn't it yourself who saw your Dad drown? It must be hard, and I hope you've found peace with it. It's times like this I wish I had a valuable nugget of advice, but don't, for the want of it.
He broke his back in the sea.The hardest thing I've found is that no one really understands you. The fact millions have a worse experience than you ,yet carry on, whilst some of us seem not to be so strong, can make feel very weak. I guess this is how CF must have felt.
Same for you. It's an issue for you. You don't need to compare it to entire families wiped out or plane crash victims, it's your issue, it exists. People may not be able to sympathise, but they should try to empathise.
FunkyNige said:
There's often a spate of copycat suicides following a celebrity suicide with people wanting to go the same way so the method is deliberately kept out of the articles.
The Samaritans have some guidelines on it
https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-...
And if you put 'celebrity suicide method not released' into Google you'll get a bunch of papers/articles about it.
Shocking, but even more shocking accordingly that always, without fail, the method is outed by the media (Amy Whinehouse booze and OD, Micheal Hutchince wore his belt, Kurt Cobain shot etc etc....) The Samaritans have some guidelines on it
https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-...
And if you put 'celebrity suicide method not released' into Google you'll get a bunch of papers/articles about it.
TPSA7514 said:
Oakey said:
I agree with this. I know someone who has a sister so desperate for fame (which her mother has been complicit in) that she's been on one of these terrible reality TV shows and was recently in a tabloid with some nonsense story about how her boyfriend has to spend £2500 on her for valentine's day. Imagine being so fame hungry that you think this is something the world would care about.
AAAAAAHHH You have had dealings with dear Diane yourself then ?
She made a mistake in crossing my wife a couple of years ago.
hidetheelephants said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Shocking, but even more shocking accordingly that always, without fail, the method is outed by the media (Amy Whinehouse booze and OD, Micheal Hutchince wore his belt, Kurt Cobain shot etc etc....)
There's no evidence she actually wanted to kill herself; the inquest concluded that having lost her previous tolerance for alcohol she simply drank too much and didn't wake up.
NWTony said:
Pothole said:
Driver101 said:
That is childish.
I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.
I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.
Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.
Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.
Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.
Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?
Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.
Congrats
In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.
If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.
Driver101 said:
A 32 year old has little in common with a 17 year old. The maturity difference is huge. He even looked like a 14 year old boy back then.
Keith Lemon nailed it beautifully on Celebrity Juice, when she was a guest. 'Caroline, you're going to have a pretty crappy bonfire night' Her, 'why's that?!' KL, 'because your boyfriend's not even old enough to buy sparklers'1602Mark said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Driver101 said:
A 32 year old has little in common with a 17 year old. The maturity difference is huge. He even looked like a 14 year old boy back then.
Keith Lemon nailed it beautifully on Celebrity Juice, when she was a guest. 'Caroline, you're going to have a pretty crappy bonfire night' Her, 'why's that?!' KL, 'because your boyfriend's not even old enough to buy sparklers'AJL308 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
NWTony said:
Pothole said:
Driver101 said:
That is childish.
I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.
I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.
Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.
Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.
Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.
Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?
Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.
Congrats
In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.
If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.
Past few years I've been out with loads of much younger women, youngest was 20, although in fairness it was only once and the day before her 21st. There was a 22 year old a couple of years ago I would have married and had kids with at the drop of a hat - she was absolutely lovely.
Current Mrs is 22.
A big age difference shouldn't make a great difference. No one I know really cares, to be honest.
Looking younger than my years was crap at 16, not being able to get the girls, crap at 18, being refused in to bars and clubs, but it was extremely useful in my 30's
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