Home Secretary announces points-based immigration system
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This has been talked about elsewhere but this is the official press release.
It will be interesting how this will work out in the future.
This has been talked about elsewhere but this is the official press release.
It will be interesting how this will work out in the future.
JulianHJ said:
Haven’t there been significant issues finding enough agricultural workers since Brexit? I wonder how this will affect other industries reliant on lower paid labour, such as hospitality.
They are bringing back the old Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS)https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management...
As you can tell by the name it is seasonal for a few months.
JulianHJ said:
Haven’t there been significant issues finding enough agricultural workers since Brexit? I wonder how this will affect other industries reliant on lower paid labour, such as hospitality.
I'm a little out of touch in recent years but I would expect a huge impact on agriculture, fishing and lower end hospitality. AFAIK existing residents are okay? It's going to be the seasonal staff that are hit, one employer I worked for had about 800 EU staff on short contracts.petemurphy said:
good people might get a proper wage at last although I know it wont be as simple as that. am sure some people on benefits can fill the positions...
Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel? Edited by petemurphy on Wednesday 19th February 07:13
21TonyK said:
I'm a little out of touch in recent years but I would expect a huge impact on agriculture, fishing and lower end hospitality. AFAIK existing residents are okay? It's going to be the seasonal staff that are hit, one employer I worked for had about 800 EU staff on short contracts.
Doing what?citizensm1th said:
Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?
Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we canabolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??
powerstroke said:
citizensm1th said:
Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?
Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we canabolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??
There are few unskilled sectors where the need for labour couldn't be reduced by automation using TODAYs technology, let alone that of tomorrow.
citizensm1th said:
petemurphy said:
good people might get a proper wage at last although I know it wont be as simple as that. am sure some people on benefits can fill the positions...
Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel? I don't always eat out or stay in hotels. I am always liable for my taxes
Things have to change. We have to try something new to get out of the stagnation we are in. If the policy is given time and doesn't work, it can be changed. 100% to suit this country's requirements. How cool is that concept...
JagLover said:
powerstroke said:
citizensm1th said:
Highest employment rate ever and will you be willing to spend more per meal or per night to stay in a hotel?
Good point ... the proles wages must be kept down ... who knows where it might end !! some nonsense like we canabolish tax credits because people are now having to be paid a living wage ??
There are few unskilled sectors where the need for labour couldn't be reduced by automation using TODAYs technology, let alone that of tomorrow.
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
rscott said:
Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring done currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.
Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 19th February 08:49
rscott said:
Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
spend less on consultants/councillors more on care workers. do you really want your mum looked after by someone on min wageAny increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
JagLover said:
No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring down currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.
You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.
Not every task needs to be automated, but for many elderly people, the visit from the carer is their only human interaction from day to day. Would you be happy for this to be replaced by a robot? You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.
SD.
JagLover said:
rscott said:
Take the care sector - one of the areas which has a lot of non UK staff. The vast majority of jobs pay under £10 an hour (with many paying the minimum of £8.21, even for shift work). How can you reduce the labour needed through automation?
Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
No expert on the subject but I believe that there are some devices that can replace monitoring down currently by a nurse. Also in Japan (which has embraced automation further) they have robots already that perform some functions in care homes.Any increase in costs for that sector (if they were to pay a better wage) would lead to large increases in the amount paid for care, which local councils simply can't afford at present.
You don't need to automate every task, just enough to reduce the labour required.
The knock on affect of the cuts will be on the NHS because there will not be places to release elderly patients. So bed blocking will become even more of a problem.
The next time a patient has to sleep on the floor you could try to raise the issue with BJ you know he takes the welfare of the country very seriously.
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