Encrochat busted by NCA
Discussion
Looks like a combination of French and Dutch agencies did the infiltration
From the NCA release
"Since 2016, the National Crime Agency has been working with international law enforcement agencies to target EncroChat and other encrypted criminal communication platforms by sharing technical expertise and intelligence.
Two months ago this collaboration resulted in partners in France and the Netherlands infiltrating the platform. The data harvested was shared via Europol."
From the NCA release
"Since 2016, the National Crime Agency has been working with international law enforcement agencies to target EncroChat and other encrypted criminal communication platforms by sharing technical expertise and intelligence.
Two months ago this collaboration resulted in partners in France and the Netherlands infiltrating the platform. The data harvested was shared via Europol."
Vice has a couple of stories about it
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3aza95/how-poli...
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3aza95/how-poli...
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 2nd July 13:42
Murph7355 said:
La Liga said:
I don't want to set them off, but a security priority for Brexit is retaining (if possible) the same relationship with and access to Europol (along with the relevant databases).
Set who off?I voted Leave and think this would be eminently sensible too.
Isn't our intelligence and security service capability well regarded globally too?
It's one part of the on-going negotiation that I hope we manage to pull off.
Having been reading a few bits and pieces about it, I am already being remarketed to by one of the would be successors! Omerta Digital which says it is based in Dundee... and makes "fully encrypted, anti surveillance, security hardened smartphones for privacy concerned individuals & businesses"
untakenname said:
Condi said:
untakenname said:
The article mentions that 90% of the French users were criminals but that still leaves 10% which surely have had their data violated in contravention of GDPR?
GDPR still allows for law enforcement to use data legitimately. In the case of the encrochat and the amount of cash, drugs and weapons seized it's certainly proportionate.
Carl_Manchester said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
GDPR does not apply to you if you are a Esher/Chislehurst Drug Lord kingpin with £5m in cash lying in the bedroom of a council estate terrace house.
We do have drug kingpins in Chislehurst (probably with £5mm of cash on hand), but they don't live in council estate terraced houses as there are none in Chislehurst 
easy driving distance from Woodlands Road on Bickley park
Dealing is Absolutely endemic in that part of the world and wouldn’t surprise me if a few local stories start popping up on News Shopper related to this bust.
god love the NewsShopperuntakenname said:
sebdangerfield said:
Under the IPA the innocent 10% you're referring to are termed collateral intrusion. The act allows this data to be obtained along with the naughty 90% as long as it's necessary and proportionate to what you're trying to achieve. Any data obtained under collateral intrusion must not be acted upon but must be stored for disclosure in the appropriate secure way. In essence, if your data is collected as collateral intrusion then it ends up in an incredibly secure data base held by a law agency where noting is done with it when it would previously be held on a less secure data base by the service provider.
In the case of the encrochat and the amount of cash, drugs and weapons seized it's certainly proportionate.
Interesting didn't realise that, wonder what percentage is the tipping point for collateral intrusion?In the case of the encrochat and the amount of cash, drugs and weapons seized it's certainly proportionate.
Staff at OCDA who authorise surveillance are all civilian and judge any job on the necessity of the breach of human rights to achieve the desired goal and the proportionality of that. So if your mate’s a drug dealer and he calls you regularly you’ve probably cropped up as collateral intrusion on his call record by now. That would be proportionate. Would taking a cell dump from a mast in a busy city Centre be proportionate to locate a shoplifter? No, you’d have potentially 10s of thousandS of phones attach to a mast in a given time frame so a huge amount of collateral intrusion. If it was a murder though, definitely. Terrorist attack? Wouldn’t even get written up before it was being done.
It’s a genuinely interesting piece of law that’s well written and easy to understand. It effects us all and really gets people debating which is in itself interesting when people are passionately against law enforcement doing this stuff balanced with how much data we give away for free to organisations who don’t have to look after it nearly as carefully.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 3rd July 22:43
Carl_Manchester said:
News Shopper has published the 34 names and home addresses of those charged in the south east london area.
https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18567137.encroc...
2 on that list are in my postcode https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18567137.encroc...
Slightly misleading from the NS though as SE18 is Plumstead rather than Greenwich and some of the others they have under Greenwich are Charlton and Belvedere
AJL308 said:
It consistently baffles me as to why people actually do this s
t. The sentences handed out there are huge and I don't think anyone mentioned is under their early 40's. There were pensioners getting sentences of a decade or more ffs! Even though there were large amounts of money found I don't get the impression that any of them were actually making serious money from this line of business.
I thought the same when I watched the 24 hours in police custody thing the other week. No one was getting really rich from it, the main guy was living, at best, the life of a driving instructor who had lots of holidays and he'd been involved with the importation of literally hundreds of millions of pounds of gear! He ended up getting something like 23 years - for what??? Why tf would you run that level of risk for so little reward? He's going to be in prison until well into his 60's and perhaps his 70's. He'll probably have lost his kid forever, the wife will have have fked off long ago and he'll come out to a life of old age and poverty.
Why does anyone think that something like that is a reasonable risk to run given the fact that you aren't going to make a lot of money but when you're caught (and you will be) you will probably do a couple of decades inside?
If you want a serious answer, because we don't rehabilitate, at all, in this countryt. The sentences handed out there are huge and I don't think anyone mentioned is under their early 40's. There were pensioners getting sentences of a decade or more ffs! Even though there were large amounts of money found I don't get the impression that any of them were actually making serious money from this line of business. I thought the same when I watched the 24 hours in police custody thing the other week. No one was getting really rich from it, the main guy was living, at best, the life of a driving instructor who had lots of holidays and he'd been involved with the importation of literally hundreds of millions of pounds of gear! He ended up getting something like 23 years - for what??? Why tf would you run that level of risk for so little reward? He's going to be in prison until well into his 60's and perhaps his 70's. He'll probably have lost his kid forever, the wife will have have f
ked off long ago and he'll come out to a life of old age and poverty. Why does anyone think that something like that is a reasonable risk to run given the fact that you aren't going to make a lot of money but when you're caught (and you will be) you will probably do a couple of decades inside?
I know of a young man who wasn't the smartest and was largely ignored at school unless he was causing trouble, he managed to leave school barely able to read, some of it certainly his fault, a lot of it his parents and teachers
He started selling weed to make a but extra, by his 20's he'd done a couple of stints inside and that's it for him now, wholly unemployable, no education, so he'll be in and out of the system for the rest of his days
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