Has the world overreacted re Covid-19
Poll: Has the world overreacted re Covid-19
Total Members Polled: 368
Discussion
smifffymoto said:
The simple reply is what was done was the right approach.If nothing was done could we have coped with the potential of millions of dead.
You could equally argue if the funds which amount to many trillions around the world that have been used against this virus were directed at other illnesses many, many millions would have recovered from those?I’m guessing you are a no and that’s OK with me, it will be interesting to see the general opinion once this poll has been running a while.
poo at Paul's said:
HoHoHo said:
Simple question - has the world overreacted to this virus given there are 7.6 billion people on the planet and according to official figures 11.2m people are confirmed to have had the virus, 6m have recovered, 4.6m are still poorly and 528k have died.
Do you not think your question and reasoning is a little flawed. Using the stats that result from the reaction to question whether the reaction was an over reaction or not? 
Given the mortality rate is extremely low to the point of lottery winning numbers and as we know it mainly affects the vulnerable in society, should we have made specific plans to protect those in society who needed it rather than shut society down which in turn will without doubt have knock on effects in mental health and other illnesses that are going without treatment due to the pandemic and cause many early deaths yet to be seen.
Jasandjules said:
MitchT said:
The thing that sticks in my mind is...
THIS is what sticks in my mind https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infec...
"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK"
After the month old marches and rioting shouldn’t we be seeing massive rises in infections by now if it’s as bad and virulent as some would like to believe?
And don’t forget VE Day when far too many gathered against the rules and that was weeks and weeks ago.
rjg48 said:
Jasandjules said:
LimSlip said:
Do you have some evidence that if the whole world just carried on as usual that millions wouldn't have died?
DO you have evidence they would? Evidence, not a computer guess or "research" by a team that have gotten it wrong so many times before.
Millions dead?
500,000 so far. 40,000 in the UK.
A family member works with the NHS and has said if you die and it even looks like you’ve got Covid a box is ticked and that’s your cause of death....with no testing after death so the figures are, frankly absolutely inaccurate.
IMO the number of deaths due entirely to the virus is tiny and probably no more than a couple of thousand at most and the real number of deaths with the help of Covid is thousands, but not 40,000.
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
I know plenty of people in the NHS and have never heard of figures being fudged for COVID-19.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/05/31/covid-dea...
However it seems to echo what I’ve been told, perhaps he’s making it up as well?
robemcdonald said:
An interesting article, but not really substantive.
We will soon know how effective the lockdown has been though. Let’s see f there is a spike in new cases in the next few weeks.
I do think if there was any evidence of the NHS fiddling the numbers DC would be on it like a tramp on chips.
I don’t think they are deliberately fiddling numbers, there appears to be some cases of no testing after death so I can only assume the numbers aren’t accurate.We will soon know how effective the lockdown has been though. Let’s see f there is a spike in new cases in the next few weeks.
I do think if there was any evidence of the NHS fiddling the numbers DC would be on it like a tramp on chips.
With regards to a spike, we were told there would be a massive spike after VE Day and that hadn’t happened, but as you say let’s see what the next month brings.
gottans said:
As they say Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Governments are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. It is very easy to pick apart decisions made from an arm chair after the fact, I think the numbers coming out of countries like Brazil give a good clue as to where things may have been if nothing was done.
To the OP, if you were in charge and faced with an unknown epidemic what would your decision have been and could you live with it?
Difficult to answer because I’m not an expert, I’m simply asking a question to discuss on a forum.Governments are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. It is very easy to pick apart decisions made from an arm chair after the fact, I think the numbers coming out of countries like Brazil give a good clue as to where things may have been if nothing was done.
To the OP, if you were in charge and faced with an unknown epidemic what would your decision have been and could you live with it?
Firstly I agree they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. However I disagree with the double standards and seemingly change of direction almost on a whim depending on the day if the week. Some of the decisions over their last week are frankly ridiculous, for example, you can have your hair cut, go to Thorpe Park and get pissed in a pub but you can’t have your nails done..........
If I were the PM I’m not sure what I would have done however what did seem to happen was a knee jerk reaction to the way the world was handling the virus and our government went from a tight Red Arrows formation to disappearing in different directions at the rate of knots! Given the money available I would have spent money on a track and trace system/app that works and once you have that (which I believe is possible quite quickly and Germany seems to have cracked that one if I remember correctly) you have a good tool to not only establish exactly what’s going which will allow nessesary steps to be taken according to the accurate data.
ATG said:
HoHoHo said:
There is no way whatsoever that over 40,000 have died in the UK from the virus.
A family member works with the NHS and has said if you die and it even looks like you’ve got Covid a box is ticked and that’s your cause of death....with no testing after death so the figures are, frankly absolutely inaccurate.
IMO the number of deaths due entirely to the virus is tiny and probably no more than a couple of thousand at most and the real number of deaths with the help of Covid is thousands, but not 40,000.
Look at the total number of deaths in the UK. All of them regardless of cause. They spike up way above the usual rate for the time of year through the spring of this year and then in the last few weeks they come back down to the normal seasonal rate. If you don't think that substantial increase was caused by Covid, the onus is on you to propose an alternative.A family member works with the NHS and has said if you die and it even looks like you’ve got Covid a box is ticked and that’s your cause of death....with no testing after death so the figures are, frankly absolutely inaccurate.
IMO the number of deaths due entirely to the virus is tiny and probably no more than a couple of thousand at most and the real number of deaths with the help of Covid is thousands, but not 40,000.
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