Who is going to continue to wear a mask after 21st June?
Discussion
From what I have read I believe that from 21st June (if all goes to plan) then all social distancing and other Covid "regulations" will be done and dusted.
I also heard someone from the government say, on national TV, that they hoped that wearing a mask on public transport would become the norm - presumably for ever.
I'd be interested in a non-representative sample of views from here - who's going to carry on wearing a mask in shops / pubs etc and who is going to ditch them ASAP.
What do we think companies will do after 21st June regarding insisting on masks - e.g. Easyjet, Supermarkets, Pubs - obviously this will have an impact on the question above.
If a pub insists on people wearing masks - do you think it will have more or fewer customers than a similar pub that doesn't enforce masks? (not 100% sure if that is correct English - more or less sounds like it should be correct, but less customers on it's own isn't right).
I also heard someone from the government say, on national TV, that they hoped that wearing a mask on public transport would become the norm - presumably for ever.
I'd be interested in a non-representative sample of views from here - who's going to carry on wearing a mask in shops / pubs etc and who is going to ditch them ASAP.
What do we think companies will do after 21st June regarding insisting on masks - e.g. Easyjet, Supermarkets, Pubs - obviously this will have an impact on the question above.
If a pub insists on people wearing masks - do you think it will have more or fewer customers than a similar pub that doesn't enforce masks? (not 100% sure if that is correct English - more or less sounds like it should be correct, but less customers on it's own isn't right).
monkfish1 said:
dmahon said:
They have not said that masks are coming off on the 21st June. Not a hope in hell that will happen.
This^^^The OP's question isnt relevant as at no point has it been indicated that masks will no longer be required after 21st June. I think we can safely assume they will still be mandated. Probably permanently. Certainly there are agitators in SAGE etc pushing hard for this to be so.
What I have seen is:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
So, whilst there is nothing there explicitly referring to masks, there is a glimmer of hope.
Also - and probably something for SP&L - I believe that some (hopefully ALL) of the laws around Covid restrictions are time limited and will no longer be in force - therefore, places like supermarkets couldn't say you MUST wear a mask by law.
johnboy1975 said:
omniflow said:
monkfish1 said:
dmahon said:
They have not said that masks are coming off on the 21st June. Not a hope in hell that will happen.
This^^^The OP's question isnt relevant as at no point has it been indicated that masks will no longer be required after 21st June. I think we can safely assume they will still be mandated. Probably permanently. Certainly there are agitators in SAGE etc pushing hard for this to be so.
What I have seen is:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
So, whilst there is nothing there explicitly referring to masks, there is a glimmer of hope.
Also - and probably something for SP&L - I believe that some (hopefully ALL) of the laws around Covid restrictions are time limited and will no longer be in force - therefore, places like supermarkets couldn't say you MUST wear a mask by law.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
Government said:
Review of social distancing
Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
They will be dropped in the summer IMO. JvT talked of masks coming back next winter (and clarified to voluntary, which I'm on record as being sceptical of, IMO they will be mandated in September(ish)).Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
In order to do that they must first go away.
blade runner said:
omniflow said:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
How that's supposed to work with Nightclubs opening June 21st if social distancing remains in place until September? It's been a good few years since I've been in a nightclub I'll admit, but from what I recall they are not exactly known for being places where people keep their distance from one another - whether that be at the bar or on the dance floor.- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
The second biggest problem I have with masks is that when wearing them people think they're invulnerable and will happily put their face 6" from yours whilst reaching over you to get something from the shelf in the supermarket.
The slogan should be - "Space, hands, face"
The biggest problem I have with masks is the combination of I don't like wearing them and I don't think they're as effective as people just using their common sense. For many people the putting on of a mask seems to coincide with whatever common sense they did have disappearing under a rock - see my first point above.
I will be interested to see what happens with both the actual law around mask wearing on public transport and in supermarkets, and also how the various train companies / supermarkets decide to ask for / insist on.
The slogan should be - "Space, hands, face"
The biggest problem I have with masks is the combination of I don't like wearing them and I don't think they're as effective as people just using their common sense. For many people the putting on of a mask seems to coincide with whatever common sense they did have disappearing under a rock - see my first point above.
I will be interested to see what happens with both the actual law around mask wearing on public transport and in supermarkets, and also how the various train companies / supermarkets decide to ask for / insist on.
andyeds1234 said:
Yeah, but I don’t agree with cleaning up my dog’s s
t.
It’s inconvenient, and has almost no health benefits to anyone, other than a tiny minority of toddlers.
It just seems too much effort on my part, and the feeling of the plastic poo bags on my hand are hell to me.
Ocular toxocariasis in a 3 year old? Not even a consideration for me.
I do believe that you're missing the fairly obvious point that dogst.It’s inconvenient, and has almost no health benefits to anyone, other than a tiny minority of toddlers.
It just seems too much effort on my part, and the feeling of the plastic poo bags on my hand are hell to me.
Ocular toxocariasis in a 3 year old? Not even a consideration for me.
Edited by andyeds1234 on Friday 12th March 00:47
t stinks - and if you step in it, then you could tread that stink around your house / car / anywhere else you visit.That's why the pick up dog s
t rule exists.andyeds1234 said:
FFS. You do realise I’m being obtuse, to make a parallel between civic wellbeing, and personal inconvenience?
I’m clearly giving too much benefit of the doubt, when it comes to assuming the reasoning powers of some posters...
I think what you meant to say was "deliberately obtuse" - although I suspect that the wording you used is more representative of your behaviour.I’m clearly giving too much benefit of the doubt, when it comes to assuming the reasoning powers of some posters...
What you, and most of the other mask zealots, fail to consider is that masks change people's behaviour.
Personally, I would much prefer that the great unwashed maintained a distance of more than 2 metres from me and didn't wear a mask, rather than wore a mask and acted as if that gave them carte blanche to stick their face 6 inches from mine.
andyeds1234 said:
Well I wasn’t being obtuse by accident you Dufus 
Me: advise mask use where appropriate, provide evidence of mask effectiveness when asked, explain my mask use is limited to indoors when in close proximity to strangers= zealot
Masks change people’s behaviour... yes they do indeed. In most instances the mask reminds people to act differently than when there isn’t a global pandemic.
If strangers are desperate to stick their faces 6 inches from yours, you must be pretty. Throw a mask on yourself, and you will stop your beautiful face from being a magnet to the great unwashed!
Phew... I feel I’ve really helped out there. Pat on the back for me.
Ah.... You're one of THOSE posters - blatantly interprets everything in a way that matches his view and claims it a victory. Me: advise mask use where appropriate, provide evidence of mask effectiveness when asked, explain my mask use is limited to indoors when in close proximity to strangers= zealot
Masks change people’s behaviour... yes they do indeed. In most instances the mask reminds people to act differently than when there isn’t a global pandemic.
If strangers are desperate to stick their faces 6 inches from yours, you must be pretty. Throw a mask on yourself, and you will stop your beautiful face from being a magnet to the great unwashed!
Phew... I feel I’ve really helped out there. Pat on the back for me.
Firstly - you could have been being obtuse by dint of it being an innate characteristic of yours - i.e. you're stupid and you were just confessing as much. It's more than possible.
Secondly - people getting close when wearing a mask is something I see clearly and regularly when in the supermarket. The change in behaviour was extremely noticable. Before mask wearing was a thing, people would be very careful to keep their distance from everyone else - not just from me. Once masks came along, that behaviour went out of the window, and people now will happily get close to other people - generally reaching across them to get something from the shelf. I have observed both the before and after behaviour in several different supermarkets.
Thirdly - your "evidence" of mask effectiveness was a tad wishy-washy and wouldn't stand up to scrutiny by a 6th Form science student.
Fourthly - Dufus is actually spelt Doofus
andyeds1234 said:
Ahh, you’re one of those posters, the type that thinks every discussion requires a victory. Noted.
The evidence isn’t wishy washy, it’s pretty specific on what masks can and can’t do. That’s difficult to understand when you read only the first few lines of multi page study, but hey, that would take time and effort.
It’s Dufus or doofus.... dufus.
Not sure I want spelling lessons from some who says "Truth Seaker"The evidence isn’t wishy washy, it’s pretty specific on what masks can and can’t do. That’s difficult to understand when you read only the first few lines of multi page study, but hey, that would take time and effort.
It’s Dufus or doofus.... dufus.
You don't seak the truth, you seek the truth.
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