Ghislaine Maxwell trial

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I can't find the other thread, so shall we start a new one on the trail proceedings

Prosecutors claim that Maxwell procured girls, eespecially young ones for Epstein via the “ruse” of a massage, and charged under the Mann Act which is largely used only for trafficking offenses, where people are being forced into prostitution against their will. She also faces charges of sex trafficking and conspiring to commit sex trafficking.

Maxwells defence claims that she is being scapegoated because Epstein’s death led her accusers unable to seek justice. They have also won permission to call pyschologist Elizabeth Loftus, a false memory expert relied upon by Harvey Weinstein, Robert Durst, O.J. Simpson amongst others.

Prosecutors have four people as “Minor Victim” in the indictment, ranging from the ages of 14 to 17 at the time of the abuse. Three will be testifying under pseudonyms, and only one, Annie Farmer, has been named in court documents. The defence are claiming that two of the accuser Farmer and Minor Victim 3 reached the age of consent in the states they were allegedly abused.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5945560...

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toohuge said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Yes, I think this is worth a separate thread. I think this is going to be quite a 'dirty' trial with lots of victim blaming interspersed with revealing information about the social world in which she lived and operated.

I agree with you completely... we'll see how it transpires.

We know by now, we'll never hear the real 'truth', however, given the lifestyle that she led, so much of it will sound barely believable to many - that wont help.

The question is what happened to all the blackmail material, recordings etc that Epstein had, when his properties were raided. Was he given enough time to dispose, move them? They wouldn't have been destroyed, far too useful. I wonder if Maxwell knows, or were they found and seized by law enforcement.

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Earthdweller said:

And in the interests of balance .. not just Republican Presidents

it should be noted that Epstein was friends with many in power, not just Andrew, trump Clinton. He didn't care about what political domination just what advantages he could gain.
Remember Epsteins little black book of 97 pages and containing the names, numbers, and addresses of a considerable cross section of the global elite, 1,571 names in all, with roughly 5,000 phone numbers and thousands of emails and home addresses.
It surfaced after one of his staff tried to sell it.

There were a number circled, like Prince Andrew, Ehud Barak, Donald Trump.
https://www.gawker.com/here-is-pedophile-billionai...

It was alleged that at least 80 percent her friends, not his, from her socialite circles
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-featu...

Epstein when interviewed by the NY Times said that he had dirt on an “astonishing number” of celebrities and powerful people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffre...

Maxwell was at the center of Epsteins circle, found the girls, told friends that she knew Epstein filmed guests with them on his carribean island and no doubt his New York address
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-myster...

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deckster said:

austinsmirk said:

Although I’ve said it before: I still don’t get where/ why the parents of these 16/17 yr olds thought they were/ what they were doing etc.

“I’m just packing a bag to go work for a billionaire to be picked up in a limo and then jetted off on a private plane to an island. “

“Brilliant, what’s yr job”

“ personal massage, baby oil squirter and fluffer”

“ no worries love: give us three rings when you get there to tell us you’re ok”.

Ah, the victim blaming has started. Didn't take long.

Maybe it's obvious to you. Maybe it's obvious to them, now. Maybe they even thought it was a bit of fun, back then, powerful men buying you nice things in return for sex. But that doesn't make it any less of an abuse of vulnerable young girls.

You don't have to be shouting "stop" for it to be rape.

You just need to look at the model agency world, how girls were shipped around, with promises of careers. Thats where Maxwell came in, to give it it's air of authenticity. Look up the details of the MC2 Model Management set up by Epstein and Jean-Luc Brunel (incidently also in jail on charges of rape and sex trafficking) and why trump set up his model agency. A ready supply of young girls

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article2383...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/te...

Maxwell was the recuiter after that, promises of education, careers
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/nyregion/jeffre...

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Petrus1983 said:

I’m not sure how it will end up - but how she’s been treated to this point is very wrong.

In what way?

She was hiding out in her place with 156 acres in Bradford, New Hampshire, dropping off the grid for over a year after Epstein was arrested. Prosecutors claimed she was a flight risk, with three passports, at least one foreign bank account with more than $1m.
They also know that from 2007 until 2011 more than $20m was moved from accounts linked to Epstein to accounts linked to Maxwell.

Complaining of the frequent checks on her, after Epstein was found dead, in lets say in less than perfect circumstances? Perhaps the authorities aren't taking any chances?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/04/gh...

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Jasandjules said:

Kessler said:

No much coverage of this trial compared to Rittenhouse.
Guess the media is struggling to come up with a racist angle.

I wonder if the owners of the media are concerned about what may come out?

Its federal court though so no cameras allowed.

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paulguitar said:

ChevronB19 said:

Someone in my local Facebook group claiming the omicron variant has been made up specifically to divert attention from the trial.

Now that’s expert level tinfoil!

He's posting here as well:

Beati Dogu said:

Meanwhile, the Jussie Smollett trial has also started, three years after the event, and a new BS covid variant is launched.

Oh it's getting blamed for lots of things
Ronnie Jackson, trumps ex doctor says the Dems created the new varient...
This from the doctor who claimed trump was 239lbs, and 6foot 3 inches, putting just a pound under obesity... whilst also claiming he had excellent genetics and could live to 200
https://twitter.com/RonnyJacksonTX/status/14646974...

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dvs_dave said:

Welshbeef said:

pquinn said:

The pilot's evidence was interesting but I hope they aren't relying on pointing at Kevin Spacey as an example of someone getting a jet ride to play with the girls like they seem to imply with the others.

Pilot didn’t see any under age girls
Pilot didn’t see any sexual behaviour
Pilot didn’t see any sexual acts with underage girls or boys.

(Possibly as he was flying the plane for some of the time)

Seemed like a pretty pointless testimony with nothing incriminating at all. Epstein’s window cleaner probably saw more!

The pilots hardly going to incriminate himself whilst piloting The Lolita Express. What he is there for is to detail the amount of flights and who, like he's already detailed 26 flights Clinton took (with secret service present), the flights with Andrew, Kevin Spacey etc

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Welshbeef said:

Yes - but this was a prosecution witness….

Clearly on his testimony alone it should be defendant 1 prosecution nill.

Nope, as above it just sets part of the story as to the number of lights, the people on it, Maxwells social set etc

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Electro1980 said:

Stigproducts said:

I genuinely felt at the end that the real story was that a sad horny deluded old man had been exploited by a couple of cock teases.

WTAF? He admitted child prostitution. He admitted two counts as part of a plea deal to drop the others for an early guilty plea. He was a man. They were children. He was a very wealthy and powerful man.

You are defending a convicted pedophile from a crime he has admitted too.

Edited by Electro1980 on Wednesday 1st December 08:42

Epstein pleaded guilty on a plea deal in 2008 to a felony charge of solicitation of prostitution involving a minor, and was sentenced to 18 months in prison; serving 13 months before being granted work release, where he commuted to an office outside the jail six days a week.
He also a registered sex offender.

The details of that plea deal were originally kept secret, but when revealed showed he had protection even then
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epste...

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GT3Manthey said:

Welshbeef said:

Pilot didn’t see any under age girls
Pilot didn’t see any sexual behaviour
Pilot didn’t see any sexual acts with underage girls or boys.

(Possibly as he was flying the plane for some of the time)

Pilot confirms he flew Prince Andrew & Virginia Robert’s but has he said he flew them at the same time ?

You know the flights and logs were all disclosed. Feel free to check but she was on a lot of the flights as his number two
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-ep...
https://www.businessinsider.com/faa-accidentally-r...

We know another of Epsteins pilots David Rodgers, confirmed previously that Andrew was on board with Virginia Roberts

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Al Gorithum said:

dasigty said:

This has the democrat party machine fingerprints all over it as a done deal so she will not name names,

Even though it's Trump most likely to be in trouble?

ah our fav troll is back - dasigty pushing rubbish conspiracy theories again. I'd suggest ignoring him

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Challo said:

dasigty said:

Al Gorithum said:

Even though it's Trump most likely to be in trouble?

You better do an update on straw clutching, The Donald threw his arse out of his club and cut ties long before the rumours became fact. What is fact is the pilots log listing Clinton and a host of other high profile democrats and donors, going back to Epsteins plead deal done by a democrat and the cover ups done under James Comey at the FBI who also pushed the democrat funded Russia hoax for all it was worth (Now a proven fake).

Yes there are some Republicans involved no doubt, but the smoke screen is being put up by democrats at every turn.

It appear a huge amount of high profile people on both side of the aisle travelled on his private plane and spent alot of time with him. A huge amount of Democrats, Republicans and Media folks will no doubt be stting themselves about what comes out. Trump is just one of those people who will be implicated, especially as they both lived in same area, spent time at same parties etc.

Who was the plea deal done with? If you mean the one in 2008 that was done by Alex Acosta and is a republican and worked from the Trump admin.

lets not forget the donald wished Maxwell well



I'd imagine there's quite a few people worried what might come out. Epsteins little black book had 1,571 names in it, many circled.
Not forgetting Bill Gates, that cost him his marriage when that came out


Edit: oh and I forgot about Jes Staley former chief executive of Barclays, who at the time was a high-ranking executive at J P Morgan who joint own two of trumps properties...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 1st December 13:38

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rodericb said:

Whooo - his name was circled!!! OMG!!! That's it folks - cased closed. Bake him away toys!

What? I think you are deliberately missinterpreting?

from page 2

Byker28i said:

it should be noted that Epstein was friends with many in power, not just Andrew, trump Clinton. He didn't care about what political domination just what advantages he could gain.
Remember Epsteins little black book of 97 pages and containing the names, numbers, and addresses of a considerable cross section of the global elite, 1,571 names in all, with roughly 5,000 phone numbers and thousands of emails and home addresses.
It surfaced after one of his staff tried to sell it.

There were a number circled, like Prince Andrew, Ehud Barak, Donald Trump.
https://www.gawker.com/here-is-pedophile-billionai...

It was alleged that at least 80 percent her friends, not his, from her socialite circles
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-featu...

Epstein when interviewed by the NY Times said that he had dirt on an “astonishing number” of celebrities and powerful people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffre...

Maxwell was at the center of Epsteins circle, found the girls, told friends that she knew Epstein filmed guests with them on his carribean island and no doubt his New York address
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-myster...

There's many people worried about just what Epstein had on them, with Maxwell as his number 2 she also knows a lot and there's still that question of where the missing tapes are, the other dirt. If the trial starts going badly, they must be worried she'll start dragging others in as well.

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 1st December 14:45

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LazyMechanic said:

Well, we know Trump got a flight from Florida to New York.

Didn't Trump also go to the FBI with some accusations about Epstein and then help them with more info on him?



I think so far the Clinton's are the ones who have most to worry about.

26 flights so far?




I bet a lot of what was happening was partying, getting people fecked up, filming them and always having something over them.

With that judge though I bet we find out absolutely nothing.

Slightly more than just one flight for trump... he was a frequent visitor, as were many others. Basically anyone Epstein thought would be useful to him
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_Tr...

Epstein often followed govt officials, bankers, took them flights to meetings so he could move in the money circles

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Stigproducts said:

But point of order, he wasn't a pedophile. Anyone saying that, like the poster above, is just reflecting the tabloid media drivel they use to form their opinions and showing how easily led and hyped they are. Putting Epstein and his buddies in the same basket as someone sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children does a disservice to those victims, you know babies and little kids. Blurring the lines between shagging willfully participating women around and possibly below ages of consent 16/18 etc is a lot different to an actual sick twisted pedophile.

Worth a read for some I think
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_Tr...

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PH really is descending into a cesspit these days isn't it

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So back to the trial, yesterday trump and Andrews name were mentioned in court, with one of the witnesses saying she was introduced to both, taken to Mar a Lago when she was 14 to meet trump. She also claimed that Maxwell was present when Epstein abused her and sometimes participated.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/gh...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...

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rodericb said:

Byker28i said:

So back to the trial, yesterday trump and Andrews name were mentioned in court, with one of the witnesses saying she was introduced to both, taken to Mar a Lago when she was 14 to meet trump. She also claimed that Maxwell was present when Epstein abused her and sometimes participated.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/gh...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...

The Guardian said:

She did not accuse Trump or the Duke of York of any misconduct.

We know you're obsessed with Trump. It looks like he didn't take Epsteins bait. Maybe Bill had a go on the Island?

LOL, it was a summary of the article linked, of what happened in court yesterday. Of course trump will be mentioned after the multiple times he was linked with him. Of course Andrew will be mentioned after the allegations. When Clintons mentioned I'll note that as well, as I did when the number of flights were mentioned on day 1. We're not all one dimensional as you assume.

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rodericb said:

stuff

Wow my own stalker... I'm flattered but please don't waste your time. This is the Maxwell trial thread and so yes others will be mentioned on it, especially trump, Prince Andrew, I've no doubt Clinton, Bill Gates etc but feel free to pop to the trump thread and we'll discuss him on there

P.S> You forgot the post on page 4

Byker28i said:

The pilots hardly going to incriminate himself whilst piloting The Lolita Express. What he is there for is to detail the amount of flights and who, like he's already detailed 26 flights Clinton took (with secret service present), the flights with Andrew, Kevin Spacey etc

Cheers

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 2nd December 13:26