Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison
Discussion
plenty said:
I don't believe I'm entrenched. I will listen to the perspectives of those who are willing to discuss in good faith. I'm also open to having my mind changed.
However, sharing a link from the Daily Mail followed by a series of predictably furious 'world gone mad' posts from angry people is the opposite of a good-faith discussion.
On a positive note the thread today seems to have turned in a more constructive direction.
If you would like to have a debate, start by focusing on what I've actually said, rather than repeatedly baiting me to engage with you on things I haven't said. My comments have exclusively focused on the integrity of the DM as a source and the suitability of NPE as a place for balanced debate. If you have a perspective on that, let's hear it.
Which prison should this convicted rapist be sent to then, male or female?However, sharing a link from the Daily Mail followed by a series of predictably furious 'world gone mad' posts from angry people is the opposite of a good-faith discussion.
On a positive note the thread today seems to have turned in a more constructive direction.
If you would like to have a debate, start by focusing on what I've actually said, rather than repeatedly baiting me to engage with you on things I haven't said. My comments have exclusively focused on the integrity of the DM as a source and the suitability of NPE as a place for balanced debate. If you have a perspective on that, let's hear it.
plenty said:
Feels like I'm setting myself up to be a whipping boy, but here goes.
I can empathise with those who are concerned about vulnerable women prisoners. My understanding is the decision to house this prisoner in a female prison is a temporary one and a permanent decision will be made later. While housed in the female prison it's imperative that the appropriate steps are taken to protect safety. The same is true if this prisoner ends up in a male prison.
As a person who has transitioned or is transitioning the option to house this prisoner (whether temporarily or permanently) in a female prison is absolutely one that must be considered. If you cannot accept even the possibility of this, then there's not much for us to debate.
You haven't answered my question though.I can empathise with those who are concerned about vulnerable women prisoners. My understanding is the decision to house this prisoner in a female prison is a temporary one and a permanent decision will be made later. While housed in the female prison it's imperative that the appropriate steps are taken to protect safety. The same is true if this prisoner ends up in a male prison.
As a person who has transitioned or is transitioning the option to house this prisoner (whether temporarily or permanently) in a female prison is absolutely one that must be considered. If you cannot accept even the possibility of this, then there's not much for us to debate.
Unless you are going to keep a trans woman rapist with fully working tackle in isolation for their whole sentence, there is no way on earth they should be sent to a female prison. Then, if you are going to keep them in isolation they may as well be sent to a male prison to do that.
plenty said:
I certainly have answered your question, but you're not listening. You're saying 'I'm right and no other points of view can be considered'. Which vindicates my original assertion that a meaningful discussion cannot be had.
You haven't. I asked you which prison they should be sent to, male or female. All you have done is detail options.I'm not saying I'm right, I'm giving you my opinion. Something which you appear reluctant to do.
plenty said:
Why?
In your opinion, should a biological female convicted of sexual assault against females be housed in a men's or women's prison?
If your answer is 'a women's prison', why do you give a different answer in the case of Isla Bryson?
A women's prison.In your opinion, should a biological female convicted of sexual assault against females be housed in a men's or women's prison?
If your answer is 'a women's prison', why do you give a different answer in the case of Isla Bryson?
Because Isla Bryson has a working cock and clearly likes to use it forcibly.
ZedLeg said:
You realise that people glomming onto gender critical talking points and using this as a beating stick for policy that isn't in effect yet is what's driving the news?
Scotland are already apparently following this process, I read they have 5 trans women in women's prisons. The Bill, which now looks dead in the water, just made it easier for criminals to abuse the system.768 said:
chrispmartha said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
He's not going to a Woman's prison now.
So youve all got yourselves wound up for nothing.Perhaps common sense isn't a lost cause after all.
chrispmartha said:
Maybe read the actual article in the OP
“It is understood Bryson is being held in a segregation unit at Cornton Vale women's prison, where the attacker will be risk assessed ahead of sentencing to see where she will serve her term”
Due process has decided which prison this person is going to not the response by people on here or anywhere else.
Do you honestly believe todays announcement is the result of due process?“It is understood Bryson is being held in a segregation unit at Cornton Vale women's prison, where the attacker will be risk assessed ahead of sentencing to see where she will serve her term”
Due process has decided which prison this person is going to not the response by people on here or anywhere else.
dundarach said:
A chap on LBC yesterday asked a very good question
Where do we put men, who rape men?
Shirely a homosexual male rapist would be better in a female prison by this logic.
(Not withstanding the universal truth of 'if you stick it where you shouldn't, then you loose it')
This has been asked and answered many times.Where do we put men, who rape men?
Shirely a homosexual male rapist would be better in a female prison by this logic.
(Not withstanding the universal truth of 'if you stick it where you shouldn't, then you loose it')
You are primarily imprisoned based on your sex not your gender. I am happy to give consideration to vary this for those who have had reassignment surgery though.
ZedLeg said:
Hormonal treatment is an important part of treating gender dysphoria. Cutting off someone's hormones cold turkey could have very bad effects.
"If someone is receiving treatment from the NHS for whatever reason, they should be allowed to continue that treatment if they go to prison." doesn't seem like it would be a controversial thing to say.
No problem with that, as long as it's a prison aligning with their sex."If someone is receiving treatment from the NHS for whatever reason, they should be allowed to continue that treatment if they go to prison." doesn't seem like it would be a controversial thing to say.
ZedLeg said:
Who's been taken in? This thread has had people shouting the odds on one side and people saying there's a process that we should wait for. The process has finished now and the person is going to a man's prison. Essentially the whole thread has been a storm in a teacup.
Surely you can't honestly believe that.It was a political decision announced by a politician.
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