Chop if off

[Gecko1978]

https://news.sky.com/story/man-accused-of-filming-...

Basically some bloke's have been chopping bits off an filming it. Ring leader chopped his own leg off

[Gecko1978]

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

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PurpleTurtle said:

I have so many questions about this!

I can't imagine the pain of having your balls cut off voluntarily, presumably without anaesthetic?

Are the people doing this medically trained? One imagines not!

How do they deal with the massive blood loss? Is someone stitching them up, again with no anaesthetic?

Is that part of the kick for those involved, handling the extreme pain?

The mind utterly boggles!

I posted this in the lounge at first as I did not think it proper news a bit odd so more the lounge but, again from R v Brown and a few other cases we read in uni I think I can answer some of your questions


2) cutting stuff off - well you can bind and restrict blood flow plus use ice this will limit pain and blood loss - it will still hurt a lot and can lead to death from extreme blood loss (basically a bad idea)
2) in R v Brown I recall one participant may have been a Vet or a Dr in this case it appears he worked in IT and Hotels (he is on linkedin)
3) Often after people report to A & E and you wonder why there are waiting lists - we read a case about a women who wanted her husband to tattoo his name on her, he branded her with a hot iron but was not convicted it was a tattoo (poor attempt but not intended to cause harm)
4) People find all sorts of things fun sky diving, star gazing, love island and then this, pain humiliation are strong emotions and for some they derive pleasure.

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QJumper said:

Gecko1978 said:

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

Strange world, isn't it.

Consenting to physical harm is still GBH, unless you call it boxing. Chop an infant's foreskin off for the hell of it and you'lll be locked up, but call it a religious ceremony and it's fair enough.

another poster has eluded to why this was convicted. Essentially one of the participants was arrested for burglary and when they reviewed stuff in his home found video tapes of these acts. Ear piercing unless done badly does not cause harm the acts they engaged in did cause a lot of pain (pain they wanted but pain non the less) and the objective was to inflict pain. Further i think it was fact people were left scared not to perform a legal act like tattooing or ear piercing but as a result of seeking to cause pain.

But honestly the biggest factor was likely that it was all men and view at the time were such relationships while legal were obscene.

I am not a lawyer so others will have a better idea but when we read the court details it was fairly eye watering but you did wonder why GBH when they wanted to do it. I think the issue is where you have a coercive control relationship a victim might say they wanted something when they did not so making such things a crime seems prudent. Lots of people likely do lots of odd stuff between consenting adults and never get prosecuted.