Roofing / Scaffold Query!
Discussion
HI All,
I'm looking for some advice regarding a potential problem with an outbuilding extension.
One wall of the building (not gable end) is the boundary with neighbours garden. They are not keen on allowing access/scaffold on their property.
Is this a show-stopper? I would have thought it would be possible to somehow work front to back or cross over from the side with no access problems.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
I'm trying friendly negotiations!
Cheers
I'm looking for some advice regarding a potential problem with an outbuilding extension.
One wall of the building (not gable end) is the boundary with neighbours garden. They are not keen on allowing access/scaffold on their property.
Is this a show-stopper? I would have thought it would be possible to somehow work front to back or cross over from the side with no access problems.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
I'm trying friendly negotiations!
Cheers
It's an existing outbuilding that is getting higher and longer. The existing wall of the building forms the boundary between their garden and my driveway. The new part of the wall will be about 6 inches my side of their fence which starts at the end of the existing wall - potentially they could discard the fence, allow me access to render and use the wall as the boundary in the same way as it is on the exiting structure.
I'm not really looking for help resolving a dispute (which doesn't exist), rather wondering from a roofers / scaffolders perspective whether it is realistically possible to do the roof without entering their property. They have indicated that they are not keen for me to put scaffolding on their side, so I would rather avoid pushing it further unless it is 100% necessary.
I'm not really looking for help resolving a dispute (which doesn't exist), rather wondering from a roofers / scaffolders perspective whether it is realistically possible to do the roof without entering their property. They have indicated that they are not keen for me to put scaffolding on their side, so I would rather avoid pushing it further unless it is 100% necessary.
Edited by mtrehy on Sunday 18th February 15:48
It's a combination of things.
The new walls are built and are higher than the neighbour thought they would be and to be fair to them they look higher than I expected also. Everything has planning permission but I guess until things are physical it's hard to fully appreciate. This is certainly a factor in them not now being fully on side.
They are also having building work and it's gone on a while so I guess they are concerned about having scaffolding hanging around for ages.
The scaffolding would require a hedge of theirs to be cut back a bit and at the moment the hedge partially obscures the new build which is obviously a good thing for them.
It's obviously a bit of a catch 22 as the easier the access the quicker it will be over and the better job can be made of it etc.
Building is 11m front to back so a very long span to cantilever?
The new walls are built and are higher than the neighbour thought they would be and to be fair to them they look higher than I expected also. Everything has planning permission but I guess until things are physical it's hard to fully appreciate. This is certainly a factor in them not now being fully on side.
They are also having building work and it's gone on a while so I guess they are concerned about having scaffolding hanging around for ages.
The scaffolding would require a hedge of theirs to be cut back a bit and at the moment the hedge partially obscures the new build which is obviously a good thing for them.
It's obviously a bit of a catch 22 as the easier the access the quicker it will be over and the better job can be made of it etc.
Building is 11m front to back so a very long span to cantilever?
I asked the same thing about the scaffold tower. I think it's not such a question of what people can do it's more that there's a lot of work around and any project that is awkward is not top of peoples list....
I'm obviously not a roofer but the more I think about it I wonder whether it couldn't be done from inside the building.... Hear me out....
Building is empty, just 4 walls.
Install trusses - should be easy enough without going onto the neighbours garden.
Put up scaffold inside building and reach around outside to fit fascia, soffitt etc - awkward but not impossible? Neighbour would probably allow access on foot for this anyhow.
Standing on scaffold inside and install 1 row of 1 metre roofing membrane at bottom of roof, batten & slate that and work my way up the roof to the ridge. It's a raised tie trussed roof so lots of scaffold space inside...
My side can be done from inside or out.
Any roofers think this is realistic... It works in my head.
I'm obviously not a roofer but the more I think about it I wonder whether it couldn't be done from inside the building.... Hear me out....
Building is empty, just 4 walls.
Install trusses - should be easy enough without going onto the neighbours garden.
Put up scaffold inside building and reach around outside to fit fascia, soffitt etc - awkward but not impossible? Neighbour would probably allow access on foot for this anyhow.
Standing on scaffold inside and install 1 row of 1 metre roofing membrane at bottom of roof, batten & slate that and work my way up the roof to the ridge. It's a raised tie trussed roof so lots of scaffold space inside...
My side can be done from inside or out.
Any roofers think this is realistic... It works in my head.
Cheers Ricky - I don't think there is likely to be an issue with access on foot in the neighbours garden at some point in the future. I assume fascia, soffitt & gutters will be easy enough to do on step ladders..? Also I assume that these can be done either before or after the slates?
As access to the roof is fairly simple and can be via scaffold front, rear and one side (as well as underneath I don't see not having scaffold on the neighbours side as an insurmountable problem but my builder is describing it as a show-stopper and seems to think that no roofers (or perhaps his preferred) will touch it.
Obviously the ideal will be to get something agreed with the neighbour in advance of the roof going on but I don't want to delay the project moving forward because of this and I'm happy to DIY it if necessary which is why I'm looking at the technicalities.
From what I've seen most roofing is done by guys sitting on the roof and walking along the battens and I'm not sure why the scaffolding (or lack of) is such an issue.
As access to the roof is fairly simple and can be via scaffold front, rear and one side (as well as underneath I don't see not having scaffold on the neighbours side as an insurmountable problem but my builder is describing it as a show-stopper and seems to think that no roofers (or perhaps his preferred) will touch it.
Obviously the ideal will be to get something agreed with the neighbour in advance of the roof going on but I don't want to delay the project moving forward because of this and I'm happy to DIY it if necessary which is why I'm looking at the technicalities.
From what I've seen most roofing is done by guys sitting on the roof and walking along the battens and I'm not sure why the scaffolding (or lack of) is such an issue.
The part of the garden where the scaffold would be is grass / dirt. They have about 1/3 of an acre and this bit of garden is not particularly close to the house - in terms of safety while it is obviously their garden and they have the right to go where ever they like in it they would have to be trying to put themselves in harms way and the area is entirely avoidable.
Yeah, all done and dusted a couple of years ago. Did it exactly as planned: scaffold platform just below eaves height inside the garage, installed trusses, installed soffit and fascia, onto roof, fit membrane, friend outside on the roof - passed slates from inside down through the overlap joins in the membrane. Piece of piss.
Now have a lovely workshop with 3 nicely rendered walls!
Now have a lovely workshop with 3 nicely rendered walls!
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