A conclusion -Neighbour wanting a front extension,not happy.
Discussion
Well, we've had some news today, and it's not great
For him, it's been refused!
I saw him out the front this morning, whilst we were chatting to friends, with two pieces of wood, formatted in the shape of would be porch, being held up against his house (the portal hasn't been updated, no surprise there, our approved extension is still saying in progress!)
I thought we needed an update, so went over to ask him what the latest was. 'basically, they've told me to f
k off' was his reply.
They have argued that the other porches nearby are at least designed as porches, and objected that if it's not of UPVC or brick then it's not happening. They've also refused on the grounds of a sliding door (which they described as a patio door...) and to the proposed poly carbonate roof, saying it must be slate.
He relented on the last two points, but wouldn't budge on the construction method.
So, he's very pissed off at them, but he has decided not to appeal, and is instead going to go for a slate awning.
Happy days.
So, to those of you who were behind us, the half dozen who PM'd me support (you know who you are) thank you. To the majority who were behind us for the first 15 pages or so, before a few waded in and changed the zeitgeist of the original thread thank you.
And finally, and I'm not making this personal, Equss (I have a feeling that may be misspelt, if so apologies) please don't wade in on this thread, after recent sad events at our end, still effecting us, I am really NOT in the mood.
Back to the allotment for another 3 hours now, building a fox proof chicken run for S. I trust I won't return to mayhem, and hence me having to close the thread!
Enjoy this sun everyone.
For him, it's been refused!
I saw him out the front this morning, whilst we were chatting to friends, with two pieces of wood, formatted in the shape of would be porch, being held up against his house (the portal hasn't been updated, no surprise there, our approved extension is still saying in progress!)
I thought we needed an update, so went over to ask him what the latest was. 'basically, they've told me to f
k off' was his reply. They have argued that the other porches nearby are at least designed as porches, and objected that if it's not of UPVC or brick then it's not happening. They've also refused on the grounds of a sliding door (which they described as a patio door...) and to the proposed poly carbonate roof, saying it must be slate.
He relented on the last two points, but wouldn't budge on the construction method.
So, he's very pissed off at them, but he has decided not to appeal, and is instead going to go for a slate awning.
Happy days.
So, to those of you who were behind us, the half dozen who PM'd me support (you know who you are) thank you. To the majority who were behind us for the first 15 pages or so, before a few waded in and changed the zeitgeist of the original thread thank you.
And finally, and I'm not making this personal, Equss (I have a feeling that may be misspelt, if so apologies) please don't wade in on this thread, after recent sad events at our end, still effecting us, I am really NOT in the mood.
Back to the allotment for another 3 hours now, building a fox proof chicken run for S. I trust I won't return to mayhem, and hence me having to close the thread!
Enjoy this sun everyone.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Saturday 29th June 15:47
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Saturday 29th June 19:12
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Saturday 29th June 23:01
Rewe said:
I don’t think anyone, apart from your neighbour, thought it would look anything other than horrible!
Good news, but was it wise to open this up again?
We were 'right' all along it transpires, so I'm happy within myself that we don't need to question our position. Good news, but was it wise to open this up again?
I had considered not doing, but PH never likes an unconcluded story, so I'm trying to be the bigger man about it.
If it kicks off I'll be swift in closing the thread, that can only be down to others, I'll not get involved in tittle tattle.
Right, ta ta for now.
ShampooEfficient said:
Good news!
I hope you've got planning permission for the chicken run
There have been Chickens kept on these allotments for 110 years, I'm sure we'll be good I hope you've got planning permission for the chicken run
(Plus these are privately owned, not council, so far less in the way of rules etc)
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Saturday 29th June 19:07
steve2 said:
Great news after all the hassle and stress, sorry that you have bad news on top of it though.
Thank you Steve, B7INNS and WR. It's not tragedy level, but very sad, S miscarried a few weeks ago, for the second time, at the end of our IVF program. It's knocked us for 6 somewhat.
Badda said:
It’s almost like you only want to hear from people who agree with you and shut down anything else. That’s not the idea of a forum you know. A ‘bigger man’ wouldn’t have demanded the original thread’s closure and then started a new one insisting people don’t disagree.
That's a tad unfair. How many threads have I ever asked to be closed? I'm pretty sure that that one was the only one, ever. I took 10 pages of, TBF, bullying and unpleasantness, before finally saying 'enough'. And funnily, as touched on up the page, the general tone for the first 15 (?) pages was support and agreement, before some waded in, and the mood changed. That tends to happen a lot on PH, posters following the heard.
I can deal perfectly fine with differing opinion, cheers for that put down, but what I can't deal with (especially right now) is pack mentality bullying.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 08:17
thebraketester said:
Great result. It would have looked absolutely ste. Given the apparent apathy of the neighbour, maybe even he realised too?
I can see how you would wonder, but highly unlikely. He was determined to have it, and I presume he's admitted defeat, after much (what he would consider) battling with the local planning dept. I'd also imagine that the bullishness he often uses would have gone down like a turd in the duvet with them. te. Given the apparent apathy of the neighbour, maybe even he realised too?The vitriol coming out his gob yesterday about them suggests he believes he's been wronged.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 09:35
Badda said:
I seem to remember it wasn’t so much Herd mentality, rather you making some generally sweeping unpleasant statements about people with less money and how they maintain their (cheap) houses. You then threw your toys out and demanded the thread closed.
:shrug:
Well if I were you I would go back and re-read it. The multiple PM emails I had speaking out about behavior in the thread backs this up. The very last post before closure was someone insisting that we should be spared no privilege of it not being granted as the area didn't warrant it, for crying out loud! :shrug:
I/we never judge people with less money than me/us, unless they're a feckless benefit cheat. We're not even rich! I accept that if someone keeps their cheap (no need for that unnecessary jibe BTW) in a right state then why shouldn't we aspire do do it better? Many in the village keep their houses nicely too.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:03
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:54
Equus said:
We don't know the reasons for refusal, yet - if it has been refused, it is not yet recorded as such on the Council's website, and they have yet to post the refusal notice and officer's report.
It may well be that the reason(s) for refusal are easily addressed, and that the applicant can make use of their 'free go' to simply submit a revised application.
The reasons I stated are simply his relaying of how it went. He usually says it how it is, and I feel the mood from him was he's spent battling. I could of course be wrong. It may well be that the reason(s) for refusal are easily addressed, and that the applicant can make use of their 'free go' to simply submit a revised application.
My gut feeling on a re-submit, is that if he did so it would need to be presented in such a way to alleviate what appears to be their concerns. In that instance we would have ZERO issue with it. A tasteful porch on terrace is not what our preference would be (for our own house) but if that's what he got granted permission for, then fair play to him!
This is about they way he has gone about it. He confirmed (in my mind) yesterday that this is all about doing the job as cheaply possible. Our builder is competitive, and good, so I said to him 'why don't I send Adam round, then you can chat about other options, it may not cost you a fortune if you used him?' he replied 'but Adams isn't as cheap as me doing it myself'
On a side note, I only briefly touched on it, but our DC are hopeless at updating their portal, it may never be done.
Equus said:
I think the problem was that you were 'aspiring' to tell other people how to live their lives.
You can keep your own house however you please, of course... it doesn't give you a right to tell others how they should keep theirs.
Well I'm saddened that you feel that's how I came across, as that was not my intention. What I do stand by mind is that you don't have to sit back and put up with poor taste, literally at your own front door. You can keep your own house however you please, of course... it doesn't give you a right to tell others how they should keep theirs.
Equus said:
anonymous said:
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That cuts both ways - remember that the whole point of this and the previous thread was the OP 'hating' on his neighbours.anonymous said:
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Yes, I've had the odd dealing with Planners myself. They are 'short sighted' because they are working within the framework of the law.
Impact on neighbouring amenity is indeed a valid reason for a Planning application to be refused, but it has to be material (real, quantifiable) impact, not imagined/perceived.
Equus said:
...What I meant was the reasons stated on the refusal notice.
Planners can't and don't issue refusals (or approvals, for that matter) on the basis of a funny feeling in their little toe. They have to write an 'Officer's Report', explaining and justifying their decision in terms of 'adopted policy' (written and published rules, driven by Planning law and central Government policy on how it should be interpreted), and the actual refusal notice will give a brief explanation of the reasons and references of the policies it was felt to be in breach of... address those reasons with your free resubmission, and you'll gain an approval, simple as that.
I can accept that's so, yes. As mentioned we would then likely have little to no issue with it (depending on what he submitted) certainly none worth noting. Also zero if done in good taste. Planners can't and don't issue refusals (or approvals, for that matter) on the basis of a funny feeling in their little toe. They have to write an 'Officer's Report', explaining and justifying their decision in terms of 'adopted policy' (written and published rules, driven by Planning law and central Government policy on how it should be interpreted), and the actual refusal notice will give a brief explanation of the reasons and references of the policies it was felt to be in breach of... address those reasons with your free resubmission, and you'll gain an approval, simple as that.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:42
Badda said:
No one is being uncivil here at all Fermit, you are just being extremely defensive of your previous thread and comments.
All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
I agree in as much, that by and large) people are not being uncivil on this thread so far.All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
The rest of your post I'm afraid seems to be off the mark.
I'm confident that I don't generally shut down arguments in anyway I can. I rarely argue on here, and try to take on board things, when people are pleasant about it.
My reason is to conclude the tale, as many were on side, and will likely be interested in the 'finale'
Attention seeking is at odds with posting up the OP's, then f
king off to the allotment till 7pm (if there were a post in between I came back once for 5 minutes to refill my ecig IIRC) And I do know the meaning of condone, more a muddle up in my hung over head. I'll edit my post.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:51
Equus said:
We will drift off-topic, which will upset Fermit no end, if he's no longer the centre of attention
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Equus. I have been civil with you in this thread, and will continue to be so. If I can ask you to do the same please. I have also pointed out a very credible reason why there is fragility in our home at the moment, so if you carry on this demeanour you'll simply come across very badly to your PH peers..
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 11:05
edited for grammar.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 11:07
No, but a polite ask to keep it civil, as we're feeling a bit fragile is 100% acceptable. Equus accused me of attention seeking, which was not just. As I pointed out earlier, I posted, then fked off to allotment until early evening, hardly indicative of attention seeking.
Right, on that note I'm off to get my scruffs on and return there.
ked off to allotment until early evening, hardly indicative of attention seeking. Right, on that note I'm off to get my scruffs on and return there.
alfie2244 said:
Fermy my man...in the nicest possible way............step away from the PC, pop down to the allotments, grab a beer and chill while watching the chooks.
I'm ahead of you Alfie, my next move after this post is to put on my allotment battered trainers and get down there, this coop wont build itself 
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