The what does a kitchen cost thread!?

[jason61c]

Sorry, I know its a hateful topic.

I'm looking at a kitchen, as the layout below






A diy kitchens cost is about 10k less worktops/appliances.

My Mrs likes the Devol shaker ones, I also like them.

I want to see some nice joins/feel of quality, dove tail joints......

A local place that made a door for me is going to quote, 18mm MFC carcass, screwed and glued construction(no cam locks), Blum runners, dovetail joints on all the draws, bits you see.

How much am I getting into? Whats the normal ballpark for a kitchen this size/number of units? Whats the best way to do worktops?

[jason61c]

The actual style we/she wants is a lot simpler looking.

https://www.devolkitchens.co.uk/kitchens/shaker-ki...

Just the doors are shaker style, draw fronts are flat. I do want the inframe look. Suits the house and I like the style myself.

I could fit myself(I'm overly handy and have built a few cabinets from scratch in the distant past). However I could get someone to do it.

worktops are going to be stone/composite that sort of thing. Just the island in generic oak stave.

[jason61c]

Mr Pointy said:

Slightly off topic, but why do you want two cookers - a normal one & a range? I've seen a couple of examples of this & it seems the range is there for show ("ooh it's got a Aga") but the normal cooker is the one that's going to get used the 364 days of the year that aren't Christmas.

I'd also caution against putting the range in an alcove like that unless you've got well over 6' of clearance as otherwise someone's going to be constantly banging their head on it.

Its just a render, the 'alcove' is a 400 year old inglenook, it is what it is. its just over 5ft, its 'occasional' use.

It means we can run an aga/esse/everhot/nothing or similar, just in the winter months, normal oven for the rest of the year.

[jason61c]

I've not including appliances in cost, I've got an esse already.

[jason61c]

Here, thanks!

Edited by jason61c on Saturday 26th October 14:21

[jason61c]

How busy are you mr singlecoil? Can you drop me some example of previous?

[jason61c]

V8RX7 said:

I am very pleased with my DIY Kitchen and it's far better than the usual suspects Magnet / Howdens etc

But I there aren't any dovetails etc

I believe Harry recommended a more expensive supplier that uses oak rather than chipboard

Who's harry? I think DIY kitchens are good, its just the little bits I want that i'm not sure they could do.

[jason61c]

DavidY said:

I'm doing a "DIY Kitchens" Kitchen at the moment, and my costs are split as follows:-

Carcasses/doors/end panels/etc (DIY Kitchens) 35%
Quartz Worktop/Glass Splashback 20%
Appliances inc Sink/Tap 27%
Electrics and Lighting 8%
Flooring/Skirting/etc 5%
External Trades - Plasterer/Gas 5%

And thats with me doing most of the work, currently up to about 23 days (including removal of old kitchen.lifting floor, prep etc)

So 10K from DIY kitchens to the original OP, is likely to be only a fraction of the cost (about a third if you are doing the work yourself), and if you are getting trades in to do all the work and buying an AGA, you could easily be looking at 45K+

Floor is all done, i'll run all services and first fix of electircs.
I've already got an aga type thing
House is going through a full renovation so the extra kitchen costs are 'just' the cost of the kitchen,worktops etc.

[jason61c]

Its true the smaller companies can surpass the quality of larger ones where the same thing costs 4x as much.

I used this company to do a door and frame for me.

http://www.exeterbenchjoiners.co.uk/ They might do the kitchen.

I'm not against a DIY kitchens one, however i'm not planning on moving and i'd love to see dovetail joints etc, plus the details on the larder units.

[jason61c]

wombleh said:

Noddy question but is it worth doing that bespoke? Other than the units around the aga they all look fairly standard

Thats because its a generic kitchen drawing, just used to show the layout, how I want it to feel, so people can see clearer whats in my mind.

the renders/layout are based on a diykitchens kitchen.

[jason61c]

Nickbrapp said:

Also, looking at your design why are you spending so much money and not having a eye level oven? I would ditch cabinet next to the aga and have that as a eye level oven/microwave maybe wine fridge space, or a intergrated fridge freezer as that’s not in your design as I can see?

Agree with the comments about the aga. That space would look better with a wood burner in

I've a wood burner in the room next to it.
I have thought about having a built in oven in there though. it would look odd though next to the aga/esse/range thing.

[jason61c]

BaldOldMan said:

Once you've found the right cabinets, you need to have a proper look at the layout as that one seems really poor IMHO.

Think about preparing food where are you planning to do that - you've got your fridge about as far away from your sink as possible.

More than happy for someone to put something smarter together ??

Think about cooking - you've got 2 separate places - again about as far away from each other as possible.

The fridge and larder unit are all next to each other, the aga type thing is occasional use only. Where the small oven is, food prep will be done on the island.- right next to it. We’ve a dining room that we’ll still use.

More than happy for someone to come up with a better layout, it’s an odd shaped room though

[jason61c]

hotchy said:

Still cant believe the price for a kitchen. £2000 for a larder!?! The same essential bit of wood that your single bedroom cuboard is that costs £100 with a fancy door on and a "larder" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels. Nope, everyone just pays the cheap £300 a month for life instead.

Good rant. Have you seen a nicely built larder unit? not quite a single bedroom cupboard.

[jason61c]

Ziplobb said:

Bin the Aga and replace it with an Everhot. Far better thing that you will use all the time.

I've a nice oil fired esse that cost £200. I'd like an everhot but my mrs doesn't like the shape and I don't like the 10k cost

[jason61c]

RichB said:

This is true, think about taking hot pans off the hop, like pasta and veg, to drain, you've got the hob much too far away from the sink. I think the designers call it the working triangle fridge, hob, sink. You 've got them flung to the far corners.

food prep/sink/main oven are all in a triangle, you just need to walk to get the food items together. Its the crux of an old house where things can't be perfect in a modern sense. it does mean that when you walk in the house with food shopping you stop at one point to unload.

[jason61c]

Some grim pics of the room as it is against the render stuff..

[jason61c]

I won't have a sink on the island, its got to be looking over the window(mrs says).

Fridge is going as you walk in on the left in the alcove next to the cruck frame(its deeper there so will sit flush with a 400mm deep larder unit).




This is the post that sits away from the wall



I've got the space to make the island unit longer, 2m or so. if needs be I could put a small built in fridge under there.

[jason61c]

hotchy said:

Thatll be some transformation, you should get a build thread up for it.

Its the whole building...... I might do an overview to bring things to where they are now.

[jason61c]

Pinoyuk said:

I love the look of the property . But where is the fridge going . I hate to have to be “walking “ around a kitchen . A good designer places the 3 main points to be within 3-4 steps of each other . Unlike one kitchen I know that cost £50k plus (England lane st as usual !!) and the distance from the hob to the fridge or work surface was about 6-7 steps !

its not really possible given the shape/layout of the room.

There's only one decent sized window, so we're not having anything high up along the outer walls that could cast a shadow/block light.

[jason61c]

So said:

Another consideration may be moving the Aga to where I have suggested, then raising (or replacing) the oak lintel to create a full-height pantry.

I'd then move the fridge / freezer from where you currently have it to between the pantry and the window, thus creating a"working triangle" between cooker-sink-fridge/pantry.

It’s a good idea however that beam has been there about 4-500 years, it’s also buried into the cob wall and supporting tonnes of stone above. It’d be a sin to move it, with a house like this, there’s always a case of making do with what you’ve got.

Also up inside the the inglenook is the original meat smoking bar and stone pots.

It’ll lit inside from up high to create some ambient light