Single track dead end - emergency vehicles
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Looking for some advice on this.
Currently live in a private street lane with a large derelict plot in front of all our houses.
At the moment it is a single track with lots of indents that have allowed the residents to park extra cars/ passing place.
The plot of land has permission to build a large house and the owner of the land owns all of the indents and turning circles and plans to fence to the boundary of his plot.
Is there any rule on allowing a turning circle or turning head for the emergency services?
The local council just pass it back to the residents of the street as a civil matter. Effectively when the boundary fence is placed the street becomes a 1/4mile single track with no turning circles with very tight driveways which wouldn’t allow the turning of anything bigger than a standard transit van. Due to some disputes with the new land owner and the residents of the street prior to myself moving here it seems almost impossible to come to an agreement that suits everyone.
Currently live in a private street lane with a large derelict plot in front of all our houses.
At the moment it is a single track with lots of indents that have allowed the residents to park extra cars/ passing place.
The plot of land has permission to build a large house and the owner of the land owns all of the indents and turning circles and plans to fence to the boundary of his plot.
Is there any rule on allowing a turning circle or turning head for the emergency services?
The local council just pass it back to the residents of the street as a civil matter. Effectively when the boundary fence is placed the street becomes a 1/4mile single track with no turning circles with very tight driveways which wouldn’t allow the turning of anything bigger than a standard transit van. Due to some disputes with the new land owner and the residents of the street prior to myself moving here it seems almost impossible to come to an agreement that suits everyone.
thanks for the replys…
sorry I didn't reply earlier it could've cleared up a few thoughts on all of this..
the single track does not affect me at all and that wasn't the reason I came on here. I have a fairly decent size driveway which accommodates us and any guests that come around.
the application site is approx. 2 acres and as I said its about 1/4mile long, so its long and fairly narrow. the applicant has agreed to upgrade a small section of the private road at the entrance of his plot near the start of the road which the council have agreed they will adopt afterwards.
The application site although pretty large, only has the PP to develop approx 1/3 of the site and this is inside of the plot away from the boundary of ownership. bin lorries currently reverse the length of the street.
the indents and turning circles have been upgraded by current residents and maintained over the years.
i do agree the new landowner should not have to give up any of the land he has purchased for existing residents, it would've been nice if we could've all came to an agreement for purchase/maintenance etc as the land being used by residents further up the street is land that Is not allowed to be developed and sits approx. 3-4m higher than the area where the house build will be taking place.
sorry I didn't reply earlier it could've cleared up a few thoughts on all of this..
the single track does not affect me at all and that wasn't the reason I came on here. I have a fairly decent size driveway which accommodates us and any guests that come around.
the application site is approx. 2 acres and as I said its about 1/4mile long, so its long and fairly narrow. the applicant has agreed to upgrade a small section of the private road at the entrance of his plot near the start of the road which the council have agreed they will adopt afterwards.
The application site although pretty large, only has the PP to develop approx 1/3 of the site and this is inside of the plot away from the boundary of ownership. bin lorries currently reverse the length of the street.
the indents and turning circles have been upgraded by current residents and maintained over the years.
i do agree the new landowner should not have to give up any of the land he has purchased for existing residents, it would've been nice if we could've all came to an agreement for purchase/maintenance etc as the land being used by residents further up the street is land that Is not allowed to be developed and sits approx. 3-4m higher than the area where the house build will be taking place.
Equus said:
Yes (there is guidance under a document called Manual for Streets; see section 6.7, page 75), and if the Planners and statutory consultees had done their job correctly, it should have been assessed at the Planning stage.
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Elysium said:
Thanks for the additional info.
1. Do you know how long the residents have used and maintained the indents and turning circles?
2. Is the work to fence off these areas part of the approved development?
3. The planning permission will include a number of conditions. It's common for these to include a requirement for approval of boundary treatments, which might help here?
My thinking here is that, if you have enough evidence to demonstrate potential rights over the indents and turning circles, you might be able to create some leverage and encourage the developer to sell some of the land to the residents.
It does sound as if it should be of greater value to the householders than to the developer.
1. approx. 25 years the land has been maintained (longest resident here)1. Do you know how long the residents have used and maintained the indents and turning circles?
2. Is the work to fence off these areas part of the approved development?
3. The planning permission will include a number of conditions. It's common for these to include a requirement for approval of boundary treatments, which might help here?
My thinking here is that, if you have enough evidence to demonstrate potential rights over the indents and turning circles, you might be able to create some leverage and encourage the developer to sell some of the land to the residents.
It does sound as if it should be of greater value to the householders than to the developer.
2. the boundary fence is out with the PP approval which has raised other issues, the council did sign off a landscape plan that includes works out with the area that they agreed. the applicant is currently going through a CLUD application to have these approved retrospectively.
there is currently a legal battle over use of the spaces for residents further up etc etc. evidence has been provided on use and maintenance but it doesn't seem to be getting anywhere except for costing folk money, sadly.
its a real shame as the house that will get built looks absolutely amazing and it'll be great to see some unused land being built on and tidy up an overgrown site.
netherfield said:
Why would you think it has anything to do with the local council, surely your solicitor pointed out the facts when you purchased, it's no different than expecting them to come and keep your garden path/driveway/boundary wall/fence in good order.
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