Full planning required or just prior approval (PD)?

Full planning required or just prior approval (PD)?

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VixenExige

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17 months

Wednesday 27th March
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My wife & I recently purchased a semi-detached renovation property which has a bodged brick/fence panel(!) conservatory that has been poorly DIY constructed & as such we want to rip down & do again safely in the form of an extension out from the kitchen. As part of this the lean-to utility that is in place would also be getting demolished & the new extension constructed filling the same footprint of the combined conservatory/utility. The distance it extends out from the rear wall (approx 5m) would put it outside of regular PD and into prior approval, but I am wondering whether full planning will be required due to the demolition of the utility room. A party wall would be required as the utility structure is mirrored on the neighbours side & a small section of brick wall would be getting constructed to replace the section of conservatory wall on the boundary that is currently just an old fence panel.

For clarity, the utility was properly constructed by the council a number of decades ago (ex council house) whereas the DIY conservatory seems to be something the previous owner put on with no paperwork and as such the council don't have any record of its existence. This property is not under any location restrictions from AONB, Broads etc

Floorplan & picture incoming when I can figure out how..


VixenExige

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Wednesday 27th March
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Edited by VixenExige on Wednesday 27th March 20:53

VixenExige

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17 months

Thursday 28th March
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Thank you both for your input. It looks like I will be applying via prior approval route & see if they let it through.

I had some time to CAD it up at work today so have attached some more photos below:










VixenExige

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Friday 29th March
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Equus said:
Hub said:
If the utility is original, then the part to the side of it might be considered a 'side' extension...
yes

The OP tells us that it was constructed as an extension 'a number of decades ago', but that's one of the reasons I said that evidence will be required to prove (to the satisfaction of the LPA) that it's post July 1948 (actually, technically that would be post June 1948, as the cut-off date is 1st July).

If it's pre-48, then it will be counted as 'original' even if it's an extension.

I'm guessing from looking at it that the whole property is likely to be post-WWII, and most likely 1950's (not later, I think), but I could be wrong: it might be 1930's (though not much earlier, I think) and as Rosco has pointed out, guessing isn't good enough with PD... you'll need supporting evidence.
Indeed. Original property constructed 1926, sold by council to long term residents in 1977. A builder we have had around estimates the utility extension to be 60's/70's. I understand the importance of ensuring it is post-June 1948, as it will have been added by the council themselves (and was added to all the same build houses down the same street) one would *hope* the council have that recorded somewhere...

VixenExige

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Friday 29th March
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OzzyR1 said:
The original EA layout is definitely wrong - they have the garden room shown at 4m wide with a distance between the kitchen window and external garden room wall of c.1500mm - the garden room extending halfway across the bathroom!

Photos show the window jamb & wall are more like 200mm apart and the room substantially less than 4m wide.
Looks like the OP has acknowledged this already as it is accounted for on their own existing/proposed floor plans.

Why do you think the current plan might still be wrong?
They may be referring to the fact the CAD I threw together shows the new extension 600mm wider than existing, but the floorplans do not acknowledge this. The CAD is something I put together to show to the neighbours and as such wanted to make it a worst case slightly wider & higher than I think it will end up being.

VixenExige

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Friday 29th March
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Equus said:
That's earlier than I'd have guessed, then - right at the beginning of the age range for that style and design of property. Is it cavity wall construction (just out of curiosity... irrrelevant for Planning purposes, of course)?
Yes, cavity walls. Total thickness of circa 250mm so not much of a cavity but it's there!