Walking dogs off lead, why?
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Been in a situation where a dog tried to bite me several times today while the owners was 50 paces behind and on thier phone. When i shouted over for them to put thier mutt on a lead as it was attacking me they simple said i should stop shouting at the mutt to make it back off or I would have to deal with them instead of the dog.
What is the point of walking ANY dog off a lead on a public street?
What is the point of walking ANY dog off a lead on a public street?
How can any dog no matter how well trained be considered to be under control if its off the lead, dogs have minds of their own and may have a bad day or a sudden 'cough you owner im having this cat/kid/postie' whereas if it was on a lead and had that thought youd always have physical control over it.
If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
Evoluzione said:
Probably a massively over exaggerated account of what really happened anyhow as per usual.
It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
Were you there? NO, so shut up.It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
hotchy said:
Evoluzione said:
Probably a massively over exaggerated account of what really happened anyhow as per usual.
It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
I agree with this.It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
How can a dog off lead "try to bite" you mean it was over friendly? Probably jumping up wanting to play. If it was going to bite you while off lead you'd have been bitten. Sounds like your story's smells iffy here. If I was the judge I'd certainly like to hear the true story from the other parties over friendly micro poodle thing.
Lord Marylebone said:
A500leroy said:
Evoluzione said:
Probably a massively over exaggerated account of what really happened anyhow as per usual.
It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
Were you there? NO, so shut up.It was probably a Cockapoo sniffing his arse or something. I've never known a dog 'try to bite' whilst loose ever, it either does or it doesn't, there is no try about it.
This is hot on the heels of yesterdays 'Blackbird destroyed my garden' thread.
It's like reading The Daily Sport.
Sometimes they will jump up at you, bark, ram their head into your legs, and so on, but none of this is biting, and it isn't usually aggressive behaviour. I'm not saying owners should allow this, but it isn't an attack by the dog.
Are you frightened of dogs in general? I ask because often people who are scared of dogs can mistake regular 'dog behaviour' for an attack, and find it frightening.
That aside, the owner is in the wrong here for allowing the dog to behave like that.
As we all know Collies can be a bit nuts sometimes and this one was obviously mental.
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
How can any dog no matter how well trained be considered to be under control if its off the lead, dogs have minds of their own and may have a bad day or a sudden 'cough you owner im having this cat/kid/postie' whereas if it was on a lead and had that thought youd always have physical control over it.
If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
You don’t know all dogs or all owners so please stop making things up about them.If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61756876
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
How can any dog no matter how well trained be considered to be under control if its off the lead, dogs have minds of their own and may have a bad day or a sudden 'cough you owner im having this cat/kid/postie' whereas if it was on a lead and had that thought youd always have physical control over it.
If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
You don’t know all dogs or all owners so please stop making things up about them.If it did attack anyone off the lead the owner is leaving themselves wide open to having the dog destroyed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61756876
Wernt worth not having it on a lead was it?
Antony Moxey said:
blade7 said:
Jasandjules said:
As for you, I would however suggest you read up a little on body language, it tends to be reasonably easy to identify if a dog ambling towards you is friendly or not.
I'd prefer that no dogs, ambling or otherwise approached me uninvited. Is that OK with you?Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
Antony Moxey said:
blade7 said:
Jasandjules said:
As for you, I would however suggest you read up a little on body language, it tends to be reasonably easy to identify if a dog ambling towards you is friendly or not.
I'd prefer that no dogs, ambling or otherwise approached me uninvited. Is that OK with you?By all means in a field do what you want, but on a public street where there are people,kids and cars there is no exercise benefit to muttly being unteathered.
Boosted LS1 said:
^
You never said how this 'attack' ended or how it started. Was the pooch interested in your trolley because it had scents on it from all over town?
Did you try to push it away and get a bit excited or agitated, raise your voice perhaps? If so the dog would mirror that behaviour. It's possible the owners saw you as the problem for provoking their dog. I imagine that if you calmed down after the owners retorted back at you the dog would have lost interest in you.
What did happen to bring things to the end?
Funnily enough after id raised my voice a few times to get it to back off the owner had to grab it by the collar to allow me (and my trolley) to leave the area.You never said how this 'attack' ended or how it started. Was the pooch interested in your trolley because it had scents on it from all over town?
Did you try to push it away and get a bit excited or agitated, raise your voice perhaps? If so the dog would mirror that behaviour. It's possible the owners saw you as the problem for provoking their dog. I imagine that if you calmed down after the owners retorted back at you the dog would have lost interest in you.
What did happen to bring things to the end?
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
Antony Moxey said:
blade7 said:
Jasandjules said:
As for you, I would however suggest you read up a little on body language, it tends to be reasonably easy to identify if a dog ambling towards you is friendly or not.
I'd prefer that no dogs, ambling or otherwise approached me uninvited. Is that OK with you?By all means in a field do what you want, but on a public street where there are people,kids and cars there is no exercise benefit to muttly being unteathered.
wong said:
A500leroy said:
Depo with 250 postmen, average of 5 attacks everyweek ( one particular nasty one where an air ambulance was needed) times 52 weeks a year over the time ive been there. Yup thousands of attacks im afraid.
Genuine question. If this happens regularly with postmen /postwomen, do you have a standard response or warning letter (I see the irony) that you give to addresses that have problem dogs roaming about. 2nd attack /serious 1st attack inform police who then apply for and obtain a dog destruction order from the courts.
But if people want to risk having doggo put down because they didnt want to use a lead in the street well...
Muzzer79 said:
blade7 said:
Antony Moxey said:
I'm not a stupid person, I have no more desire to have my dog fight another than I have me fight the owner. It's different if he's out with my wife or (adult) children, but if he's out with me he stays by my side no matter what
So the dog is only under control when it's with you then?theplayingmantis said:
Lot of nonsense for dog owners on here of which i am one.
No off lead dog is ever 100% under control. It has a mind of its own. Yes you may have been lucky so far its obedient never run off never chased anything and been as good as gold, but that one time it isn't you will pay if you have it off the lead in a potentially hazardous environment.
Yes i have the dog off the lead where i think its safe accepting an element of risk...private fields, footpaths in countryside with no settlements near, woods etc, but as soon as i see another person or dog or approach roads, or houses or farm building i put her back on. Yes there's a slight risk she will run off and suffer spaniel deafness but this is on me or a person/dog i haven't spotted approaches, but i'm very vigilant and aware when she is off the lead and i deem that risk low. Having a dog off the lead in other situations where there is increased risk of conflict is stupid as you just don't know what will happen. The stupidest are those who have the dog off a lead in an urban environment or along a road. the chances of your very well behaved dog seeing a cat or squirrel or whatever and making a dash into the road maybe small buts its a clearly hazardous environment, and you will only do it once if your dog comes a cropper. Its selfish by the owner and unfair on the dog as its putting it in unnecessary danger however well behaved and obedient it is.
Perhaps slightly hypocritical as i says i let the dog off where i deem appropriate far from hazards and impacting other people, and we all have degrees of risk we are prepared to take, but i think a degree of common sense has to be applied. Off a lead however well behaved in an urban, or populated space is asking for trouble and selfish and carries both more risk to the dog and to other people than in a remote deserted area.
Thats the most sensible post on here.No off lead dog is ever 100% under control. It has a mind of its own. Yes you may have been lucky so far its obedient never run off never chased anything and been as good as gold, but that one time it isn't you will pay if you have it off the lead in a potentially hazardous environment.
Yes i have the dog off the lead where i think its safe accepting an element of risk...private fields, footpaths in countryside with no settlements near, woods etc, but as soon as i see another person or dog or approach roads, or houses or farm building i put her back on. Yes there's a slight risk she will run off and suffer spaniel deafness but this is on me or a person/dog i haven't spotted approaches, but i'm very vigilant and aware when she is off the lead and i deem that risk low. Having a dog off the lead in other situations where there is increased risk of conflict is stupid as you just don't know what will happen. The stupidest are those who have the dog off a lead in an urban environment or along a road. the chances of your very well behaved dog seeing a cat or squirrel or whatever and making a dash into the road maybe small buts its a clearly hazardous environment, and you will only do it once if your dog comes a cropper. Its selfish by the owner and unfair on the dog as its putting it in unnecessary danger however well behaved and obedient it is.
Perhaps slightly hypocritical as i says i let the dog off where i deem appropriate far from hazards and impacting other people, and we all have degrees of risk we are prepared to take, but i think a degree of common sense has to be applied. Off a lead however well behaved in an urban, or populated space is asking for trouble and selfish and carries both more risk to the dog and to other people than in a remote deserted area.
Skeptisk said:
Lord Marylebone said:
It was a Collie?
Right, well that changes everything. Yes it was probably trying to bite you. They are absolute f
king s. Despite loving dogs, I fking hate Collies.
They are one of the worst breeds for sneaking round the back of you and biting your legs, and they love to do that to other dogs.
Motherfkers.
Great working dogs, but fk knows you you would own one if you didn't have a sheep farm.
Not one of your more reasonable or balanced posts! Right, well that changes everything. Yes it was probably trying to bite you. They are absolute f
king s. Despite loving dogs, I fking hate Collies.They are one of the worst breeds for sneaking round the back of you and biting your legs, and they love to do that to other dogs.
Motherf
kers. Great working dogs, but f
k knows you you would own one if you didn't have a sheep farm.Collies are often a bit odd but we love ours.
How could you hate this?
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-tren...
Sharon Smikle has been ordered to keep her pet muzzled and on a lead following the attack
A woman's whose dog attacked a postman has been ordered to keep her pet muzzled and on a lead in public. Sharon Smikle's Staffordshire Bull terrier/Shar Pei cross called Roxy escaped from her Bucknall home and attacked the postie who was walking on the street.
Roxy bit his finger with such force it went to the bone. North Staffordshire Justice Centre heard the victim was gushing with blood and was taken to hospital where he underwent surgery on the tendon.
Now Smikle, 58, has been handed a £400 compensation order. Magistrates also made a Proper Control Order which means she has to keep Roxy muzzled and on a lead when in public.
Prosecutor Angela Trafford said the victim was working as a postman in Slapton Close, Bucknall, on February 12 when he became aware of a sharp stabbing pain in his right hand.
Miss Trafford said: "He pulled his hand away immediately and realised there was a dog which had taken hold of his hand. The dog let go of the hand and went for his leg so he took his bag off his shoulders and put his bag in front of his legs to try and get the dog away.
"The dog was snarling and looked like it wanted to bite him again. The dog was aggressive. When he looked down he noticed his hand was gushing with blood and he had to use part of his uniform to tie it around his fingers.
"A woman (the defendant) came out and shouted the dog back in the house. The defendant went back out to the postman to check he was ok."
In a victim statement, the postman said he was in hospital for two days as the bite had gone to the bone and he had to have surgery on the tendon. He said: "I was attacked in the street causing serious damage to my ring finger on my right hand. I was hospitalised and had surgery to repair the damage.
"Since the attack I have become very fearful and apprehensive of dogs. It has affected my ability to perform my job."
Magistrates described it as a 'very unfortunate incident'. They said: "Roxy must be kept under proper control. When in a public place she must be muzzled and must be held securely on a lead by a person aged 18 or over. If you do not comply the dog may be seized and destroyed."
There was no order for costs.
Sharon Smikle has been ordered to keep her pet muzzled and on a lead following the attack
A woman's whose dog attacked a postman has been ordered to keep her pet muzzled and on a lead in public. Sharon Smikle's Staffordshire Bull terrier/Shar Pei cross called Roxy escaped from her Bucknall home and attacked the postie who was walking on the street.
Roxy bit his finger with such force it went to the bone. North Staffordshire Justice Centre heard the victim was gushing with blood and was taken to hospital where he underwent surgery on the tendon.
Now Smikle, 58, has been handed a £400 compensation order. Magistrates also made a Proper Control Order which means she has to keep Roxy muzzled and on a lead when in public.
Prosecutor Angela Trafford said the victim was working as a postman in Slapton Close, Bucknall, on February 12 when he became aware of a sharp stabbing pain in his right hand.
Miss Trafford said: "He pulled his hand away immediately and realised there was a dog which had taken hold of his hand. The dog let go of the hand and went for his leg so he took his bag off his shoulders and put his bag in front of his legs to try and get the dog away.
"The dog was snarling and looked like it wanted to bite him again. The dog was aggressive. When he looked down he noticed his hand was gushing with blood and he had to use part of his uniform to tie it around his fingers.
"A woman (the defendant) came out and shouted the dog back in the house. The defendant went back out to the postman to check he was ok."
In a victim statement, the postman said he was in hospital for two days as the bite had gone to the bone and he had to have surgery on the tendon. He said: "I was attacked in the street causing serious damage to my ring finger on my right hand. I was hospitalised and had surgery to repair the damage.
"Since the attack I have become very fearful and apprehensive of dogs. It has affected my ability to perform my job."
Magistrates described it as a 'very unfortunate incident'. They said: "Roxy must be kept under proper control. When in a public place she must be muzzled and must be held securely on a lead by a person aged 18 or over. If you do not comply the dog may be seized and destroyed."
There was no order for costs.
Antony Moxey said:
Greenbot35 said:
Antony Moxey said:
Are you? I’m happily walking along with a placid dog trotting along minding his own business and we have to move because you’re afraid of a dog invading your personal space? If it affects you that much then YOU move - why should everyone have to change to accommodate you? What makes you think you’re a better person than a dog owner so they have to bow down to your paranoia?
Don't call me paranoid and I never once said i expected dog owners to move for me so get your facts straight!What i did say was dog owners could be considerate and appreciate other people might be scared or had a bad experience and for a small sacrifice (holding onto and controlling their dog) they remove this discomfort or prefernce.
When I'm driving past cyclists, joggers walkers or horses I slow down and give them room. Its called being considerate, when I'm out on my horse I've lost count of times an out of control dog has lunged or acted aggressively towards her, let me guess though she should be in a field out the way.
Edited by Greenbot35 on Tuesday 21st June 21:30
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?
All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?
Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38
Antony Moxey said:
A500leroy said:
Im gonna wade in here. My workplace is the public streets. Why should I be put at anymore risk than anyone else in their workplace because someone sharing that space isnt considerate enough to walk pooch on a lead?
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?
All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?
Don’t be such a drama queen. You are not at risk from my dog, so if your round includes my house you’ll be going about your business in complete safety. However it seems it’s you that should be on a lead if you’re going round attacking people, it sounds like you’re more inclined to do so than my dog is.If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?
All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?
Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38
Sporky said:
A500leroy said:
So my collegue whom got taken to hospital a few month back with half his thigh missing because someones rotty was 'off lead' being shouted back and ignored his owner was being a drama queen?
Custard or it didn't happen. https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/postwoman-taken-to-...
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